Developing a National Framework of Teaching Expectations Wiki: Summary

This is a transcript of our text chat during the March 3, 2009 Elluminate session

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Welcome Shauna!

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Shauna: Hello!

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): Shauna, where are you from?

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Shauna: University of Northern BC - Prince George

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Shauna: I work with Grant Potter- you may know him

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): Oh! Practically neighbours I'm near Kamloops

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): @Shauna Yes, I know Grant. I may have met you in the fall at UCIPD meeting?

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Shauna: I haven't gotten to go to any yet. I am fairly new

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Welcome Peter!

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Peter: Thaks. Sorry I am late.

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Peter: I am from Guelph!

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DeirdreB: Sean are you there

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): @Peter, you're not late Starting in 3 minutes or so

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Sean Polreis: Sean: I am here for half an hour; from University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon

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Peter: Great, I thought I was 57 minutes LATE!

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alicemac to Peter: Hi Peter!

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Peter: Hi Alice

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alicemac:

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Peter: I lived in Kitchener for 24 years and I call it home, so you are just down the road. I'm in the UK right now.

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Peter: That is close to home, for sure

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alicemac: Alice from Kwantlen in the Wetcoast of Canada

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Peter: Tho I am in Guelph right now, my heart is in BC, where I will be next week. Very excited...

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alicemac: and we are excited to have you visit!

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Peter: YAY!

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Marcel D'Eon: U of Saskatchewan, just thawing out.

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Welcome Marcel and Alex

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alicemac: I'll stay on text chat as I forgot my microphone at home.

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Rosalie Pedersen: Hi Alice

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DeirdreB: Happy Square root day 3/3/9

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alicemac: NRC time signal says now!

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Rosalie Pedersen: I'm from University of Calgary teaching and Learning Centre. Hi!

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Great to see you hear Cindy!

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cindyxin: Great to see you Vivian!

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Welcome Bea!

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alicemac: waves

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): Here's the wiki where you'll find the Ontario resoruces Gary mentioned http://scope.bccampus.ca/mod/wiki/view.php?id=1581
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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Welcome Nancy!

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alicemac: I concur about how do we measure.

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alicemac: It takes clear objectives, outcomes, and criteria to be able to measure.

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nancy.sly24: Hi. Sorry I'm late. I don't have a mic so will listen in. I've not used this before but I like it so far!

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): Higher Education Academy: http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/ourwork/professional
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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): Hi Nancy! I'll relay any questions/comments you put in the text chat

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Rosalie Pedersen: Yes, it does -- and the will to "fail" those who do not meet the standards set. When people are coming to participate, often the benchmark is improving, not really achieving a set standard.

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nancy.sly24: Thx Sylvia

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alicemac: yes, I can onlyd to Experience or in the case of material that is articulated, it becomes Master / No Credit Granted

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): The stakes are high - failing means they loose their jobs - but there are lots of chances to pass.

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DeirdreB: I really don't like National Coordination because I worry about reduction of creativity/chnge

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DeirdreB: change response times

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alicemac: Nursing Educators have done a lot in this area.

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Marcel D'Eon: Marcel: I agree with Deirdre to some extent. We may lose creativity if we mandate national standards. Is there a middle way?

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): STLHE = Society for Teaching and Learning in Higher Education

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): http://www.mcmaster.ca/stlhe/
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DeirdreB: STLHE is not reresentative

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alicemac: Goo Currculim Development always start with a survey,

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DeirdreB: Use the university learning centres

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Rosalie Pedersen: I think one would need to survey end users -- faculty who should take our programs. Maybe focus groups ?

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DeirdreB: Most universitys and tech schools have learning centres

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DeirdreB: Surveys could be distributed through the centres

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Alex: How is it likely that the credentials would be respected by each institution?

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DeirdreB: Big issue Alex

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DeirdreB: I think conferences are too small a venue

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Alex: I suppose the credentials for educational technology for higher education be important, considering the current trends towards mixed/ standalone e-learning developing in higher education

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Rosalie Pedersen: You're right -- many stakeholders. Yet if we do not have their buy-in, will a program work -- build it and will they come? Especially if we want it to be compulsory rather than optional.

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Bea: Not to forget Faculty Unions and their expectations for those of us working within the constraints of a Collective Agreement

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DeirdreB: Ed Tech is the biggest change agent in teaching, so I worry about this being restricted

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alicemac: ... and protections ...

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Alex: True

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Bea: Good point, Alice

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Rosalie Pedersen: I may have missed something - is the idea to make the programs mandatory as it is in the UK? Mandatory changes the flavor of things a lot.

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alicemac: Pride of Professionalism is rarely driven with a whip ...

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alicemac: I'm assuming that by Learning Centres we are talking about students

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DeirdreB: No faculty learning centres

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): Teaching and Learning Centres -- for faculyt

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Bea: Centre for Academic Growth at Kwantlen

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Shauna: some learning centre's like our's at UNBC cover Faculty Development and Technology education for Faculty

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nancy.sly24: Mandatory would be a 'no go' at our college. It doesn't fit with our LTC's philosophy nor would it likely be supported by our union.

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alicemac: Kwantlen did research with our students about what they felt was Good Teaching. Not surprising, they had the same concerns that the reserach, tehory and reflective faculty do. So I think that students are an important set of stakeholders

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): unfortunately audio not working Marcel

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DeirdreB: Marcel you need a mic

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Rosalie Pedersen: Mandatory would be a no go here too I suspect

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): great! it works

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DeirdreB: yes

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): yup, I hear you

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alicemac: Speaks to the needs for shared values as well.

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Bea: Agreed. Otherwise each institution is reinventing the wheel.

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DeirdreB: yah a national conversation

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Alex: Reasonable

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Bea: Ideally, they would take this program prior to starting their teaching.

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DeirdreB: I agree Bea

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Rosalie Pedersen: Are faculty getting paid for the time spent in these programs?

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alicemac: I think that having flexible outcomes that can be demonstated in a variety of ways will also address the worry about loss of creativity.

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Alex: It will introduce an extra step before teaching

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): If you haven't already, will you post a note to say where you're from?

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Alex: Is it really important?

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Bea: Having interviewed and hired many faculty in the last couple of years, I found individual follow up on the candidates' demo lesson with the faculty and pointing them to such program modules proved most helpful to them. Setting them up for success before they ever stepped in the classroom at our institution.

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Wendy B: Wendy Burton from University of the Fraser Valley

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DeirdreB: Alex I'm not sure what you mean by extra step

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Bea: I am at Kwantlen Polytechnic University. Worked in admin for a couple of year and now am back in teaching.

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): Thanks Wendy and Bea

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Alex: How universal a standard can you expect from teaching painting to teaching nuclear physics?

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Bea: What about seasoned instructors who are perceived as poor teachers by students?

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie 1): http://scope.bccampus.ca/mod/forum/view.php?id=1173
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Alex: Thank you

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DeirdreB: Thank you

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alicemac: Thank You!

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Bea: Thank you, too

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Rosalie Pedersen: Thanks Gary, Vivian and Sylvia. I look forward to an interesting discussion.

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Wendy B: Oh, sorry. Not hand raised. Hand clapping!

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Moderator (Vivian Neal): /Thanks everyone!