Posts made by Elizabeth Wallace

Thanks, Sue for posting a copy of the joint message from WebCT and Bbd so quickly, and to Sylvia for being deliciously prompt in drawing attention to the Washington Post article on potential anti-trust issues which came out just a few days before the W/B message.  Doesn't everyone have great timing?

For those of you who are interested in legislation, I've just posted a message in the SFU forum about an upcoming presentation at the Surrey, BC, campus on The Law of Open Software.  Just in case you thought only WebCT and Blackboard had to obey the law...:-)

All are welcome:

http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=94

Anyone who is looking for an excuse to visit the emerging new campus of SFU in Surrey need look no further. Larry Rosen is making a presentation on:

The Law of Open Software: Copyrights, Patents and All That.

Thurs. Dec. 8th , 3:30 p.m.

Lecture Theatre, Room 2600, SFU Surrey.

Information from Daniela: drelja@sfu.ca

Larry Rosen is the author of Open Source Licensing: Software Freedom and Intellectual Property Law.

Thanks for adding this information, Ken. And thanks, too, for reminding us that these matters are being discussed on an international scale. If someone participating in SCoPE attends the Online Education Berlin Conference, perhaps we can get a report on one of the presentations that is taking place this coming Friday, Dec. 2:

According to the summary:

A panel of experts will discuss the implications of the open source
movement at the OEB 05 Plenary Session "Open Standards, Open Source and Open Content - the Shape of Things to Come" on Friday, December 2, 2005, 9:30 - 11:00. Two of the speakers at the session are Randy Metcalfe,
Manager OSS Watch, UK, whose subject is "Managing Institutional
Engagement with Open Source" and Dr. Vijay Kumar, Assistant Provost and
Director of Academic Computing, MIT, USA, who will talk about "Open
Strategies for Educational Innovation at MIT".

Further information on OEB:

http://www.online-educa.com/en/

So it may be time to reminisce about Pink Floyd (We don't need no education... We don't need no thought control) and why the challenges of designing online learning experiences are an uphill battle against prevailing educational norms. 

Jason also said: "They are a bright bunch these students (in terms of technology use)". True in many cases. But I'd like to make the point that although young students, in particular, are very fluent in their use of technology, but that doesn't mean to say that they are skilled in using an LMS, no matter how well designed and presented.

One problem is that today's students (like yesterday's students, and students for the past 150 years) are products of the Industrial Age model of factory schooling. The lessons they learn from K-12 schooling are that rewards are given to those who follow the rules, don't question the teacher and never suggest a different curriculum or an alternative approach to learning. Those who break the rules, don't do what is expected or question the establishment are often pushed off the conveyor belt and end up in the "rejected" pile.

Barb hints at the need for collaborative models, and many of us dream of co-constructed learning environments, instead of the long institutional hallways where teachers teach what they must behind closed doors. Anyone remember Lloyd Dennis's Living and Learning Report of 1968, and the experiments in schools that tore down walls and created open spaces for teaching and learning?  Far too revolutionary, and ended all too soon.

Anyway, in case anyone has missed my point in this ramble into my distant past, students do not know how to learn in an LMS environment. They wait to be told what to do, they submit assignments when asked, they contribute to discussions only because there's a grade. Sad.

Darren, I'm skeptical about your conviction that if enough of us post our suggestions and opinions about WebCT and Blackboard, we can make a difference. You say: "With a strong enough united voice we might be able to have some influence." Where does that conviction come from? What experiences have you had that make you think the two giants will care to listen?

Having used WebCT since its launch in the late 90s, I have seen little evidence that they are interested in being responsive to teacher/learner need. Will the "merged" company become a kinder, gentler place?

BTW, I visited your blog at http://blog.scs.sk.ca/mt/blackboardwebct/  and I'm so glad you found SCoPE and linked us to it. For one thing, I learned that the Brits seem to be using the term VLE (Virtual Learning Environments) more often than the LMS term we use in N. America!