Nick Noakes

[17:52]  Corwin Carillon: hiya hondo
[17:52]  Carolyn Carillon: hi corwin
[17:52]  hondomac Dalgleish: Hi Corwin
[17:52]  Qadmon Celt: hello there
[17:52]  Carolyn Carillon: hi qadmon
[17:52]  Corwin Carillon: hi
[17:52]  Qadmon Celt: Hi Carolyn
[17:52]  hondomac Dalgleish: waiting for things to rez
[17:52]  Corwin Carillon: :)
[17:52]  Qadmon Celt: Hi hondo
[17:52]  Carolyn Carillon: where are we corwin?
[17:53]  Corwin Carillon: boracay
[17:53]  Corwin Carillon: my sim
[17:53]  Carolyn Carillon: your private sim?
[17:53]  hondomac Dalgleish: Hi Qadman
[17:53]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[17:53]  Carolyn Carillon: or is this an institution?
[17:53]  hondomac Dalgleish: very nice
[17:53]  Corwin Carillon: well it's open
[17:53]  Carolyn Carillon: good lord, corwin
[17:53]  Carolyn Carillon: this is amazing
[17:53]  Carolyn Carillon: lucky devil
[17:53]  Corwin Carillon: no, my institution is scared of SL ..
[17:53]  hondomac Dalgleish: really nice
[17:53]  Qadmon Celt: it's a very nice place!
[17:53]  Carolyn Carillon: ha!
[17:53]  Carolyn Carillon: ours is coming around
[17:53]  Corwin Carillon: at least my immediate boss whose an AVP
[17:54]  Carolyn Carillon: oh no
[17:54]  Carolyn Carillon: my sympathies
[17:54]  Qadmon Celt: AVP?
[17:54]  hondomac Dalgleish: lots of that going around Corwin
[17:54]  Corwin Carillon: lol
[17:54]  Corwin Carillon: no worries
[17:54]  Carolyn Carillon: very frustrating, isn't it
[17:54]  hondomac Dalgleish: slowly but surely
[17:54]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[17:54]  Corwin Carillon: but then SL is very bleeding and buggy right now
[17:54]  Corwin Carillon: so am happy to wait till things are more stable before I show it
[17:54]  hondomac Dalgleish: we have had a lot of issues in here lkast couple of weeks
[17:55]  hondomac Dalgleish: lots of crashes etc.
[17:55]  Corwin Carillon: I think there should be 5-6 people coming
[17:55]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[17:55]  Carolyn Carillon: great
[17:55]  Carolyn Carillon: that's a good size
[17:55]  Corwin Carillon: we had about 8-9 earlier
[17:55]  Carolyn Carillon: wonderful
[17:55]  Corwin Carillon: I have posted the chat
[17:55]  Carolyn Carillon: what was the reaction?
[17:55]  Carolyn Carillon: ah great
[17:55]  Corwin Carillon: I think they quite enjoyed it ..
[17:55]  hondomac Dalgleish: good
[17:55]  Qadmon Celt: where did you post the chat?
[17:56]  Corwin Carillon: we tried skype too but most couldn't manage both so we dropped it fast
[17:56]  hondomac Dalgleish: I'm sitting here listening to a snow storm outside. Mucch nicer in here
[17:56]  Carolyn Carillon: makes you wonder about how voice will work in here
[17:56]  Qadmon Celt: I wonder that too..
[17:57]  Corwin Carillon: one prob with the voice
[17:57]  Corwin Carillon: it is a commercial company
[17:57]  hondomac Dalgleish: we've had 4 on at atime with Skype. Will be investigating Skypecasting soon
[17:57]  Corwin Carillon: vivox
[17:57]  Carolyn Carillon: corwin, mind if i take some pictures?
[17:57]  Corwin Carillon: pls do
[17:57]  Carolyn Carillon: thanks
[17:57]  hondomac Dalgleish: they're going with vivox?
[17:57]  hondomac Dalgleish: Hmmm...
[17:57]  Corwin Carillon: yes :(
[17:57]  Carolyn Carillon: i'm not familiar
[17:57]  Corwin Carillon: so I don't know how that will work out with going OSS
[17:58]  Corwin Carillon: i have vivox here
[17:58]  Qadmon Celt: skypecasts work very well..
[17:58]  hondomac Dalgleish: so much for Open Source. Several people have had luck with Ventrilo
[17:58]  Qadmon Celt: I haven't used vivox..
[17:58]  hondomac Dalgleish: what's the largets skypecast you have been in Qadman?
[17:59]  Corwin Carillon: yes both ventrilo and teamspeak work if you have a server
[17:59]  Corwin Carillon: I think NMC uses teamspeak coz it has both win and mac
[17:59]  Qadmon Celt: um, not that big... like 20 people...
[17:59]  Carolyn Carillon: makes sense
[17:59]  hondomac Dalgleish: but the setup is quite simple
[17:59]  Corwin Carillon: for me about 40
[17:59]  Corwin Carillon: usually via worldbridges
[18:00]  hondomac Dalgleish: that's good - I have classes around that size was thinking of exploring the use of skypecasting there
[18:00]  Carolyn Carillon: one moment
[18:00]  Carolyn Carillon: brb
[18:00]  Qadmon Celt: and you couls use festoon if you have video...
[18:00]  hondomac Dalgleish: Everyone I have talked to seems to like Skypecasting
[18:01]  Qadmon Celt: But you would need a lot of bandwidth..
[18:01]  hondomac Dalgleish: not familiar wit Festoon
[18:01]  Carolyn Carillon: back
[18:01]  hondomac Dalgleish: /ao on
[18:01]  Corwin Carillon: but skype has video now.. why use festoon qadmon
[18:01]  Qadmon Celt: skypecasting works very well, really...
[18:01]  Corwin Carillon: hi Sylvia
[18:01]  Qadmon Celt: skype video works only on 1 to 1 conversations...
[18:02]  Qadmon Celt: If you wanna have video conference with more people, you'll need something like festoon..
[18:02]  Carolyn Carillon: hi sylvia??
[18:02]  Corwin Carillon: ok, can i ask you folks a question
[18:02]  Carolyn Carillon: sure thing
[18:02]  hondomac Dalgleish: Hi WebbedFeat
[18:02]  hondomac Dalgleish: sure
[18:02]  Qadmon Celt: Hi there!
[18:02]  Corwin Carillon: how familiar are you all with SL?
[18:02]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Hi everyone! WebbedFeat (Sylvia) here
[18:03]  Carolyn Carillon: i've been in for about 9 months
[18:03]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[18:03]  Qadmon Celt: Not much... I've been around a couple of times..
[18:03]  hondomac Dalgleish: very - been active in here since last June
[18:03]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Barely familiar. I've been in a few time, but haven't accomplished much!
[18:03]  Qadmon Celt: hi there, sunshine!
[18:03]  Carolyn Carillon: hi sunshine
[18:03]  Corwin Carillon: ok .. hondo, carolyn, hope you get people out with me :)
[18:03]  Corwin Carillon: hi sunshine
[18:03]  hondomac Dalgleish: Hi sunshine
[18:04]  Carolyn Carillon: sure :-)
[18:04]  Qadmon Celt: we're gonna need a lot of help.... LOL
[18:04]  Sunshine Hapmouche: Hi everyone
[18:04]  Corwin Carillon: ok, would you like to see some of the magic of SL>
[18:04]  hondomac Dalgleish: sure np
[18:04]  Carolyn Carillon: yes!
[18:04]  WebbedFeat Fapp: yes!
[18:04]  Corwin Carillon: follow me up the hill
[18:05]  Carolyn Carillon: sorry sunshine
[18:05]  Corwin Carillon: ok one thing I like about SL
[18:05]  Carolyn Carillon: i keep getting in your way
[18:05]  Corwin Carillon: flexible space
[18:05]  Corwin Carillon: that I can put under students control
[18:05]  Corwin Carillon: so students can create a setting mood
[18:05]  Corwin Carillon: and the tools they want
[18:06]  Corwin Carillon: the boards here have tools and seating arrangement
[18:06]  Corwin Carillon: that we can have at the click of a button
[18:06]  Corwin Carillon: so turn around and watch the open area of grass
[18:06]  hondomac Dalgleish: great way to organize them
[18:06]  Carolyn Carillon: corwin i really like this because you can make these tools available to anyone who wants to work with groups in here
[18:06]  Corwin Carillon: where I'm facing
[18:06]  Carolyn Carillon: instructors don't have to reinvent the wheel
[18:06]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[18:07]  Corwin Carillon: ok
[18:07]  Qadmon Celt: nice!
[18:07]  Corwin Carillon: now one more thing
[18:07]  Sunshine Hapmouche: wow!
[18:07]  Corwin Carillon: World -> Force Sun -> midnight
[18:08]  Corwin Carillon: have you changed the sun?
[18:08]  Qadmon Celt: yes
[18:08]  Carolyn Carillon: yes
[18:08]  hondomac Dalgleish: yes
[18:08]  Corwin Carillon: sunshine? webbedfeat?
[18:08]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Looking for the sun! :-)
[18:08]  Corwin Carillon: at the top menu
[18:08]  Qadmon Celt: It's up in the sky..
[18:08]  Corwin Carillon: World
[18:08]  Sunshine Hapmouche: not yet is there a way to see more lines inthe chat?
[18:09]  Corwin Carillon: Force Sun is at the bottom of the World menu
[18:09]  Corwin Carillon: ok everyone?
[18:09]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Ahhhh, got it
[18:09]  Sunshine Hapmouche: now it's dark
[18:09]  Corwin Carillon: lets walk over to the campfire
[18:09]  Corwin Carillon: cool!
[18:10]  Carolyn Carillon: /ao off
[18:10]  Corwin Carillon: to sit
[18:10]  Corwin Carillon: right click on a ball with sit above it
[18:10]  Corwin Carillon: and choose sit
[18:10]  Qadmon Celt: this is very nice!
[18:10]  Carolyn Carillon: fantastic
[18:10]  hondomac Dalgleish: /ao off
[18:10]  Qadmon Celt: the sound of the sea, the fire...
[18:10]  hondomac Dalgleish: nice
[18:11]  Qadmon Celt: what's /ao off?
[18:11]  Carolyn Carillon: it's an animation override
[18:11]  Corwin Carillon: ok for qadmon, sunshine and webbedfeat
[18:11]  Corwin Carillon: one more thing
[18:11]  Carolyn Carillon: it changes the way you walk or sit
[18:11]  WebbedFeat Fapp: hmmm, can't sit down
[18:11]  hondomac Dalgleish: I have an animationoverride that allows me to use other animations
[18:11]  Carolyn Carillon: i turn mine off when i sit
[18:11]  Corwin Carillon: click on a ball
[18:11]  Carolyn Carillon: otherwise i look a little funny
[18:11]  Corwin Carillon: right click or command click
[18:11]  Corwin Carillon: you will get a pie menu
[18:11]  Qadmon Celt: I see..
[18:11]  Corwin Carillon: choose sit
[18:12]  Corwin Carillon: can you see the balls with sit in green above them?
[18:12]  Corwin Carillon: the other thing that is useful
[18:12]  Corwin Carillon: View -> Camera controls
[18:13]  Qadmon Celt: yup, very usefu..
[18:13]  Corwin Carillon: ok, maybe we could introduce ourselves first
[18:13]  IM: WebbedFeat Fapp: thanks for helping the dork who is still standing! :-)
[18:14]  IM: WebbedFeat Fapp: command click gets me a profile page
[18:14]  Carolyn Carillon: i'm carolyn (campbell in real life)
[18:14]  Carolyn Carillon: i'm an instructional designer at the nova scotia community college
[18:14]  Carolyn Carillon: i've been lurking in the SCoPE sessions for about a year & really enjoying the discussions
[18:14]  Corwin Carillon: I'm Nick Noakes in Hong Kong ... where i run a faculty development unit
[18:14]  Carolyn Carillon: learning lots
[18:15]  IM: WebbedFeat Fapp: :-)
[18:15]  Corwin Carillon: if you'd like to take a photo...
[18:15]  Corwin Carillon: use the camera controls to frame the shot
[18:15]  Qadmon Celt: How do I take a picture?
[18:15]  Corwin Carillon: then go to File -> take snapshot
[18:15]  hondomac Dalgleish: Ian Macleod in RL - IT Faculty at the NSCC in Halifax - I work with Carolyn
[18:16]  Corwin Carillon: or click the blue snapshot button at the bottom
[18:16]  Qadmon Celt: got it
[18:16]  Corwin Carillon: if you want to look back at the conversation ... hit the history button next to the typing in chat window
[18:17]  Sunshine Hapmouche: I'm Carol Isakson I work at a large high school in Michigan where I do web support and various workshops for staff. I've been lurking for quite a while - what a wonderful group this is!!
[18:17]  Qadmon Celt: I'm Diego Leal, from Colombia. I'm in charge of the national ICT use project on Higher Education..
[18:18]  Corwin Carillon: all thx to sylvia :)
[18:18]  Qadmon Celt: And I'm a researcher on eLearning..
[18:18]  WebbedFeat Fapp: This is so neat. The first time I've done something other than fly around and buy clothes in SL!
[18:18]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[18:19]  Corwin Carillon: ok, I'm going to give you a photo of us
[18:19]  Corwin Carillon: to remember this by
[18:19]  Carolyn Carillon: thanks corwin :-)
[18:19]  hondomac Dalgleish: Thanks for the snapshot
[18:19]  Qadmon Celt: thanks!
[18:19]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Thanks Corwin!
[18:20]  Sunshine Hapmouche: I'll put in my scrapbook
[18:20]  Corwin Carillon: there is a photo board near where you arrived and you can also add photos there
[18:20]  Corwin Carillon: great for building community :)
[18:20]  Qadmon Celt: so, who's gonna play the guitar?
[18:21]  Corwin Carillon: hehe it won't
[18:21]  Corwin Carillon: there is one that will in the gallery cafe though
[18:21]  Qadmon Celt: LOL, ok
[18:22]  Corwin Carillon: so maybe we could chat a bit together about our online facilitation background
[18:22]  Qadmon Celt: ok
[18:22]  Corwin Carillon: out stories ... as this is a campfire :)
[18:22]  Qadmon Celt: horror stories are accepted...
[18:22]  Corwin Carillon: definitely!
[18:22]  Corwin Carillon: :)
[18:23]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Ha ha! Well I completely admire facilitators who are able to do such a bang up job in a sync environment. So much multitasking!
[18:23]  Corwin Carillon: me too .. Nancy White is a star at that!
[18:23]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Does it take a certain disposition to be able to do that?
[18:24]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Yes! nancy in any venue. Much to admire there!
[18:24]  Corwin Carillon: Qadmon .. you had a horror story for us?
[18:25]  Qadmon Celt: haha, not really...
[18:25]  Corwin Carillon: lol
[18:25]  Qadmon Celt: I started moderating on 2000...
[18:25]  hondomac Dalgleish: my online experience started as a learner - did my MEd online in 1999 and 2000
[18:25]  Qadmon Celt: I toom Moving Out Ot the Middle at Concord, with Sarah Haavind..
[18:25]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Another MooMer!
[18:25]  hondomac Dalgleish: mostly profs "cramming" classroom matyerials into WebCT - not a lot of purpose built materilas
[18:26]  Corwin Carillon: doesn't sound good Hondo
[18:26]  hondomac Dalgleish: I've since delivered on line course using variuos tools
[18:26]  Qadmon Celt: Yep... Then I strated to design online courses in spanish, on moderation and course design..
[18:26]  Corwin Carillon: oops we've lost Carolyn
[18:26]  hondomac Dalgleish: It was a good learning experience - a good programme and it showed me what not to do
[18:27]  hondomac Dalgleish: the saving grace were teh chats and relationships developed with my fellow cohort mates
[18:27]  Qadmon Celt: I facilitated a lot of them, and then I started to work in blended learning... So I have been on this for 7 years now..
[18:27]  Corwin Carillon: wow !
[18:28]  Corwin Carillon: sounds like both of you have quite a lot of experience
[18:28]  Qadmon Celt: I used IRC since '94, though..
[18:28]  hondomac Dalgleish: it seems to me that blended learning is the future - providing multiple delivery models to learners
[18:29]  Qadmon Celt: I agree with that... And right now I'm leading the design of courses on ICT use on education and developing virtual communities..
[18:29]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Intereresting comment about blended learning being the future.
[18:29]  Qadmon Celt: That's a little of my background..
[18:29]  Corwin Carillon: And sunshine?
[18:29]  hondomac Dalgleish: it's one of the reasons why I see soem great educational opportunities for SL
[18:30]  Qadmon Celt: convergence, as Henry Jenkins would put it..
[18:30]  Corwin Carillon: yes!
[18:30]  WebbedFeat Fapp: I see more potential every time I come here. I have to admit...at first I didn't see any!
[18:31]  hondomac Dalgleish: well our college just went through a round of strategic planning and one of the drivers is "Education Without Boundaries". That will take blended learning approaches among others
[18:31]  Qadmon Celt: It was the same for me, Webbed... I didn't get it the first time..
[18:31]  Sunshine Hapmouche: Compared to you folks I'm a beginner. My state is requiring online learing as part of the graduation requirements for class of 2011. I want to know more about helping teachers learn how to facilitate their students - we use Moodle
[18:31]  hondomac Dalgleish: one of the big advantages of SL is presence
[18:32]  WebbedFeat Fapp: SL is such a HUGE leap from what I deal with working with instructors and students in a small college
[18:32]  Corwin Carillon: for me too
[18:32]  hondomac Dalgleish: likewise
[18:32]  Corwin Carillon: they are only have a partial handle of learning management systems ...
[18:32]  Corwin Carillon: still very chalk and talk .. transmission approach
[18:33]  Corwin Carillon: but then some are great!
[18:33]  hondomac Dalgleish: one of the hardest selling points is trying to convince colleaugues that this pace is more than a diversion or game
[18:33]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Yes! Very hand in your assignment types in our online courses
[18:34]  Corwin Carillon: yep
[18:34]  Sunshine Hapmouche: there is quite a learning curve here - that must put off a number of people
[18:34]  Corwin Carillon: in SL you mean sunshine?
[18:34]  Sunshine Hapmouche: yes
[18:34]  WebbedFeat Fapp: It is! Just sitting down was a struggle :-)
[18:35]  Qadmon Celt: Hahaha!
[18:35]  Corwin Carillon: lol
[18:35]  hondomac Dalgleish: we have the same issues with our online courses
[18:35]  Qadmon Celt: The hard thing for me was getting engaged in doing something...
[18:35]  Qadmon Celt: The first time I came here I was ata the lobby, and it wasn't that fun..
[18:35]  Corwin Carillon: where they are coming from is often conceptually very far away
[18:35]  hondomac Dalgleish: how are you getting past thh technical issues with SL?
[18:35]  WebbedFeat Fapp: Campfire friends, I have to leave a little early. Some neighbours coming for dinner. Glad I don't have to cook in SL!
[18:36]  Qadmon Celt: A couple of weeks ago I got in again, this time in a tour with some people from a Connectivism Seminar..
[18:36]  Corwin Carillon: hehe :) thx for coming sylvia
[18:36]  WebbedFeat Fapp: See you back in the SCoPE semianr!
[18:36]  Qadmon Celt: Have a good time, Sylvia!
[18:36]  Sunshine Hapmouche: nice to "seee" you Sylvia
[18:36]  hondomac Dalgleish: we have a weekly get together Thursdays ate 8PM GMT-4 - some great discussions
[18:36]  Corwin Carillon: have a great dinner!
[18:37]  hondomac Dalgleish: enjoy!
[18:37]  WebbedFeat Fapp: ciao for now
[18:37]  Qadmon Celt: Where do you met, hondo?
[18:37]  Qadmon Celt: bye bye, sylvia!
[18:37]  Sunshine Hapmouche: what is a tour like here? I imagine more controlled?
[18:37]  Corwin Carillon: chaotic
[18:37]  hondomac Dalgleish: at our land in Bamlet me give you the LM
[18:37]  Corwin Carillon: usually
[18:37]  Qadmon Celt: that one was very good...
[18:38]  hondomac Dalgleish gave you Birch Hollow, Bam (136, 31, 66).
[18:38]  Qadmon Celt: The "teacher" gave us a gift box, with a lot of things inside...
[18:38]  Corwin Carillon: who ran it qadmon?
[18:38]  Qadmon Celt: We did a few things, and then we went to Berkman...
[18:38]  Corwin Carillon: thx hondo
[18:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: Bam is the sim - we've grouped some land - hence Birch Hollow
[18:39]  Qadmon Celt: Thanks, hondo! How do I save that landmark?
[18:39]  Corwin Carillon: it is in you inventory
[18:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: It should be in your inventory now
[18:39]  Corwin Carillon: welcome back carolyn
[18:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: ther she is - thought you might have lost power
[18:39]  Qadmon Celt: Yes, it is..
[18:39]  Carolyn Carillon: sorry about that
[18:39]  Carolyn Carillon: we're in the middle of a big storm here
[18:40]  Corwin Carillon: hope everything is ok
[18:40]  hondomac Dalgleish: power go out?
[18:40]  Carolyn Carillon: not sure
[18:40]  Carolyn Carillon: if i disappear again, you'll know why :-)
[18:40]  Carolyn Carillon: the router went out
[18:40]  hondomac Dalgleish: ahhh... a bump
[18:41]  hondomac Dalgleish: I've put all of my systems on UPSs because of that
[18:41]  Sunshine Hapmouche: does it ever storm in SL?
[18:41]  Qadmon Celt: Our guide was Beth Ritter..
[18:41]  hondomac Dalgleish: only if you want it to :-)
[18:41]  Corwin Carillon: would you like to see?
[18:41]  Carolyn Carillon: has sylvia left?
[18:41]  Corwin Carillon: beth is good at tours
[18:41]  Corwin Carillon: would you like to have some snow?
[18:42]  Qadmon Celt: it was very interesting.. SO when I saw there would be a SCoPE tour, I checked in quickly! LOL
[18:42]  Sunshine Hapmouche: Sylvia had people over for dinner
[18:42]  hondomac Dalgleish: There is a very good self-run tour called the Teleportation Trail and you get to add all sorts of thgings to your inventory
[18:42]  Qadmon Celt: snow sounds good...
[18:42]  Sunshine Hapmouche: do yu have warm snow?
[18:42]  Qadmon Celt: How do you get rain? Rain dancing? ;-D
[18:42]  Corwin Carillon: lol
[18:43]  Corwin Carillon: no but skiing
[18:43]  Qadmon Celt: Where's that Teleportation TRail?
[18:43]  Corwin Carillon: darkwood
[18:44]  hondomac Dalgleish: Starts in Darkwood
[18:44]  hondomac Dalgleish: ypu can Search for it
[18:44]  Corwin Carillon: Ive given you the LM and Sunshine
[18:44]  Qadmon Celt: Thank you, Corwin!
[18:44]  Sunshine Hapmouche: thank you!
[18:45]  hondomac Dalgleish: I have two landmarks for it but not sure which one is the start and which is the finish
[18:45]  Corwin Carillon: same spot
[18:45]  Corwin Carillon: :)
[18:45]  Corwin Carillon: oretty much
[18:45]  Corwin Carillon: pretty much
[18:45]  Sunshine Hapmouche: great - can't get lost
[18:45]  hondomac Dalgleish: It's like a scavenger hunt base d around the major activities of SL - flying, building, etc.
[18:46]  Corwin Carillon: it is quite long though
[18:46]  Qadmon Celt: One thing that bothers me in SL is the money... I'd rather have no money inside SL..
[18:46]  Corwin Carillon: 16 stages
[18:46]  Corwin Carillon: so you don't have to do it all at once
[18:46]  hondomac Dalgleish: I did it over four or five days
[18:46]  Corwin Carillon: me too
[18:46]  hondomac Dalgleish: just landmark as you go
[18:47]  Corwin Carillon: it gives you and LM for the next station each time
[18:47]  Corwin Carillon: to come back to online facilitation a bit ...
[18:47]  hondomac Dalgleish: another good way to see a lot of SL is to ride the SLRR (SL Rail Road)
[18:48]  Corwin Carillon: what have been your key lessons learned from your experiences so far?
[18:48]  Sunshine Hapmouche: where is that? and is it free?
[18:49]  hondomac Dalgleish: it is and you can search for it - runs across multiple sims
[18:49]  Carolyn Carillon: it's strange because i think our learners are still trying to get used to the idea of discussion boards, etc.
[18:49]  Carolyn Carillon: makes a facilitator's job tough
[18:49]  Corwin Carillon: get used in what sense carolyn?
[18:50]  hondomac Dalgleish: key issue for me is that effective on-line courses need to be developed as such, not simply taken from a Brick classroom and crammed online
[18:50]  Carolyn Carillon: 'where do i click??' syndrome
[18:50]  Carolyn Carillon: one of the main issues is to overcome that distance
[18:50]  Carolyn Carillon: the technology mostly
[18:50]  Sunshine Hapmouche: (thanks hondo)
[18:50]  Carolyn Carillon: to feel connected to the people that you're learning with
[18:50]  Carolyn Carillon: i see that as a key role for facilitators
[18:50]  Sunshine Hapmouche: and so many things to look at at once
[18:50]  Carolyn Carillon: so true!
[18:51]  Qadmon Celt: I think that's an issue in most of the existing LMS... They have a poor design..
[18:51]  Carolyn Carillon: i agree with you, qadmon
[18:51]  IM: hondomac Dalgleish: If I can find it :-)
[18:51]  Carolyn Carillon: very true
[18:51]  Carolyn Carillon: makes learning harder, not easier
[18:51]  Sunshine Hapmouche: what would the ideal LMS be like?
[18:51]  Qadmon Celt: I agree with you on the need to have a better communication with our students...
[18:52]  Corwin Carillon: i'd rather not have one!
[18:52]  Carolyn Carillon: me too!
[18:52]  Qadmon Celt: It surprises me how difficult is the language we ues to communicate with them..
[18:52]  Carolyn Carillon: maybe that's why i like SL as a learning environment
[18:52]  hondomac Dalgleish gave you Washburne Station, Burnet (190, 178, 86).
[18:52]  Carolyn Carillon: it feels more natural ... ???
[18:52]  Carolyn Carillon: does that make sense?
[18:52]  Sunshine Hapmouche: when you are underwater or walking into walls?
[18:53]  Carolyn Carillon: how do we overcome it qadmon?
[18:53]  hondomac Dalgleish: I think (and hope) that LMSs are a dieing technology
[18:53]  Qadmon Celt: I think so... Even if this is a simulation, we ARE hearing the sea, the birds, and we will remember that we WERE talking besides a fire...
[18:53]  hondomac Dalgleish: Web 2.0 will blow LMSs away
[18:53]  Carolyn Carillon: it feels more real doesn't it
[18:54]  Corwin Carillon: the SL interface and moving and navigating around SL is a TIME investment ..
[18:54]  Qadmon Celt: I think the power of SL has to do with the kind of memories that can create...
[18:54]  Corwin Carillon: too much for many
[18:54]  Qadmon Celt: It's not the same as navigating on a WebCT course...
[18:54]  Sunshine Hapmouche: it does, I would be nice if it felt more natural - that may come with time though
[18:54]  Qadmon Celt: Here, spaces ARE real, not an abstract concept...
[18:54]  Carolyn Carillon: harder? easier? what do you think?
[18:54]  Corwin Carillon: no ... agree about the power of the memories
[18:55]  Carolyn Carillon: what is it about SL that gives us that ability?
[18:55]  hondomac Dalgleish: it comes back to presence
[18:55]  Corwin Carillon: maybe that's partly because identity gets tied in more ... more emotion in that way
[18:55]  Carolyn Carillon: i really like the idea of memories
[18:55]  hondomac Dalgleish: you can take pictures in here for example - a great way to document your experiences
[18:56]  Corwin Carillon: but it does hit episodic memory in a way that voip synch and asynch chat doesn't
[18:56]  Qadmon Celt: Think abour an online course...
[18:56]  Carolyn Carillon: episodic?
[18:56]  hondomac Dalgleish: we are a portfolio college and in here - being in SL - becomes your portfolio
[18:56]  Corwin Carillon: episodes ... story memory
[18:56]  Carolyn Carillon: ahhh
[18:56]  Qadmon Celt: You log in the system, click around, read what people write and write some stuff of your own. And that's the whole experience.
[18:56]  Carolyn Carillon: thanks ... i'm learning lots
[18:57]  Corwin Carillon: semantic (associative) memory and episodic (story) memory
[18:57]  Carolyn Carillon: wonderful
[18:57]  Sunshine Hapmouche: do portfolio pieces include chats, pictures and orhter artifacts?
[18:57]  Qadmon Celt: Here, I remember that the girl with the brown hair and the high heels likes the idea of memories...
[18:57]  Qadmon Celt: It's very different..
[18:57]  Carolyn Carillon: ha!
[18:57]  Corwin Carillon: yes and video sunshine
[18:57]  Corwin Carillon: you can take videos here too
[18:57]  Carolyn Carillon: different thank just reading text & maybe looking at a photo
[18:57]  Carolyn Carillon: than
[18:58]  Qadmon Celt: How do I take videos?
[18:58]  Corwin Carillon: file
[18:58]  Corwin Carillon: start/stop movie to disk
[18:58]  Qadmon Celt: got it. Must check the menus carefully..
[18:58]  Corwin Carillon: you then need a program like Frapps to compress it afterwards
[18:59]  Corwin Carillon: but the portfolio idea might work very well in here
[18:59]  Qadmon Celt: thanks!
[18:59]  Corwin Carillon: they could produce the portfolio in 3D
[18:59]  hondomac Dalgleish: seems a natural to me
[18:59]  Corwin Carillon: build a metaphor of it
[18:59]  Carolyn Carillon: and YOU are your portfolio in here
[18:59]  hondomac Dalgleish: natural fit
[18:59]  Carolyn Carillon: your learning is on display
[18:59]  Qadmon Celt: It's not just the portfolio. You could have a house where you keep your online life!
[18:59]  Carolyn Carillon: even in your avie
[18:59]  Corwin Carillon: \have people walk through it
[18:59]  Carolyn Carillon: you could ... very true
[18:59]  Carolyn Carillon: absolutely
[19:00]  Corwin Carillon: or anyting qadmon
[19:00]  Sunshine Hapmouche: a personal museum
[19:00]  Corwin Carillon: doesn't have to be RL representation :)
[19:00]  Carolyn Carillon: you can be very creative here
[19:00]  Qadmon Celt: The things you learn, the people you meet, the thoughts you create..
[19:00]  Carolyn Carillon: i wonder what that would look like
[19:00]  Corwin Carillon: have any of you every seen the Skydancers in SL?
[19:00]  Carolyn Carillon: could be very interesting for some of our learners
[19:00]  Carolyn Carillon: when you think of the mix of programs, etc
[19:00]  Qadmon Celt: That's true, Corwin. It can be very different from RL..
[19:00]  Carolyn Carillon: i've seen videos
[19:00]  Carolyn Carillon: & they're amazing
[19:00]  Sunshine Hapmouche: is it open ot all or can it be password protected?
[19:00]  hondomac Dalgleish: we had a great debate the other night - "Why do the buildings in SL have roofs?"
[19:01]  Corwin Carillon: you can make something only available to a group Sunshine
[19:01]  hondomac Dalgleish: they are amazing Corwin and all I have see is machinima of them
[19:01]  Qadmon Celt: machinima?
[19:01]  hondomac Dalgleish: sorry - videos produced in here
[19:01]  Corwin Carillon: hehe my buildings have glass rooves you can fly through
[19:02]  Qadmon Celt: thnx
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:02]  hondomac Dalgleish: perfect
[19:02]  Corwin Carillon: flyer friendly
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: i kinda like the campfire
[19:02]  Corwin Carillon: me too
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: great 'classroom'
[19:02]  Corwin Carillon: I like being outdoors heer
[19:02]  Corwin Carillon: here
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: that's interesting ....
[19:02]  Corwin Carillon: that's why I have the tools rez here
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: we asked a student if he would like to learn in SL ...
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: he said YES ...
[19:02]  Corwin Carillon: why?
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: becaues he could learn outside
[19:02]  Carolyn Carillon: interesting, eh?
[19:02]  Qadmon Celt: LOL
[19:02]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[19:03]  Sunshine Hapmouche: I'll have fond memoriesof my first campfire
[19:03]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:03]  Corwin Carillon: but for me the big pull to SL is the people
[19:03]  Qadmon Celt: I was thinking about that... It's an interesting cognitive effect, to have distorted memories about your current location...
[19:03]  Corwin Carillon: I've met some fantastic people here ... :)
[19:03]  Carolyn Carillon: & learning is so much about the people
[19:03]  Corwin Carillon: like us!
[19:03]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:03]  hondomac Dalgleish: ao true
[19:03]  Corwin Carillon: I've had people tell me they have dreamt about SL
[19:03]  Carolyn Carillon: i have
[19:04]  Corwin Carillon: it happened to me early on but then went ..
[19:04]  hondomac Dalgleish: How do we use SL to replace/augment current online facilitations environments?
[19:04]  Qadmon Celt: I agree with that... Only when I could talk to others in the tour, this started to make sense..
[19:04]  Carolyn Carillon: powerful, eh?
[19:04]  Corwin Carillon: but maybe an indication of the emotion/power of the experiences
[19:04]  hondomac Dalgleish: very powerful
[19:04]  Corwin Carillon: good Q hondo
[19:05]  Corwin Carillon: sorry reading back ...
[19:05]  hondomac Dalgleish: part of what I like about SL is presence - you are "immersed" in the environment
[19:05]  Corwin Carillon: sunshine you mentioned about campfire strong memories ... so does this resonate with that RL memory?
[19:05]  Qadmon Celt: I would like to have audioconference more integrates in SL.. I don't know how easily that works...
[19:05]  Corwin Carillon: yes ... presence
[19:05]  Corwin Carillon: but I think the story memory part Qandom mentions is key too
[19:06]  hondomac Dalgleish: it lends itself better to different learning styles (although primarily visual, all other style s can be acomodated here)
[19:06]  Qadmon Celt: But writing is not that easy (not to mention that the chat is awfully limited)
[19:06]  hondomac Dalgleish: it is
[19:06]  Corwin Carillon: should be here in June Qandom
[19:06]  Sunshine Hapmouche: I think so - advantage here is that I can look back at the log to sharpen those memories later
[19:07]  Corwin Carillon: we tried skype with the earlier group btw
[19:07]  Corwin Carillon: but only some of us could get in ...
[19:07]  hondomac Dalgleish: How did it go?
[19:07]  Corwin Carillon: SL uses up so much power
[19:07]  Corwin Carillon: I like it ...
[19:07]  Corwin Carillon: we use a phone bridge
[19:07]  Carolyn Carillon: it's hard when some talk & others type
[19:07]  Corwin Carillon: and some call via phone and others like me skype in
[19:07]  Corwin Carillon: yes carolyn
[19:08]  hondomac Dalgleish: and right now it's that "bleeding edge" and teh associated technology issues that will detract from sL for now
[19:08]  Carolyn Carillon: the person without is left out
[19:08]  Corwin Carillon: for the other SCoPE session
[19:08]  Corwin Carillon: I couldn't manage it when trying to facilitte and deal with everyone's learning curves with SL
[19:08]  Qadmon Celt: In our country, the bandwidth limitations are a real issue... It would be very difficult to have things like SL n your average school..
[19:08]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:08]  Corwin Carillon: yes Qandom
[19:08]  Carolyn Carillon: here too qadmon
[19:08]  hondomac Dalgleish: an issue for us outside of major centres too
[19:08]  Carolyn Carillon: but i imagine that will change
[19:08]  Corwin Carillon: I have argentinian and brazillian friends here to and they have the same issues
[19:09]  Sunshine Hapmouche: give it a year or so
[19:09]  Qadmon Celt: So I see the potential of this tools, but the fact is that not even 20% of the global population is online..
[19:09]  Corwin Carillon: and a lot of edu's K-12 and HE block it
[19:09]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[19:09]  Corwin Carillon: and this is high end
[19:09]  Carolyn Carillon: it is
[19:09]  Corwin Carillon: so maybe what .. 2% of that 20%?
[19:09]  Qadmon Celt: Sometimes I feel really concerned about the growing digital divide...
[19:10]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[19:10]  Carolyn Carillon: henry jenkins calls it a 'participation gap'
[19:10]  Corwin Carillon: so why do we keep pushing these things then?
[19:10]  Carolyn Carillon: definitely
[19:10]  Corwin Carillon: engagement gap
[19:10]  Qadmon Celt: exactly... that's the risk..
[19:10]  Carolyn Carillon: ooo, i like that
[19:10]  Corwin Carillon: as well as participation gap
[19:10]  Carolyn Carillon: definitely resonates with me
[19:10]  Qadmon Celt: me too..
[19:11]  Corwin Carillon: henrys talking more about civic engagement
[19:11]  Carolyn Carillon: but there's a connection, corwin
[19:11]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[19:11]  Corwin Carillon: there is a high degree of overlap
[19:11]  Corwin Carillon: and one affects the other
[19:11]  Carolyn Carillon: absolutely
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: you asked earlier why we push these things
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: i've learned a bit more here tonight
[19:12]  Qadmon Celt: Because we can?
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: this is an engaging place to be
[19:12]  Corwin Carillon: yes to all of us ... questioning myself too
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: a more engaging place to learn
[19:12]  Sunshine Hapmouche: perhaps we see the possibilities
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: different from a message board
[19:12]  Corwin Carillon: for some it is
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: & offers a whole new set of experiences
[19:12]  Corwin Carillon: I've met a lot who just hate it
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:12]  Qadmon Celt: I agree with all of you... This is a great experience..
[19:12]  Carolyn Carillon: again with the engagement gap :-)
[19:13]  hondomac Dalgleish: nd it breeds enthusiasm and passion - that leads to innovation and adoption
[19:13]  Corwin Carillon: there is a key element around creativity in here for me
[19:13]  hondomac Dalgleish: creation of great spaces like this one
[19:13]  Corwin Carillon: the SL art ... sparks my creativity
[19:13]  Carolyn Carillon: this is a great environment for self-expression
[19:13]  Corwin Carillon: yes
[19:13]  Carolyn Carillon: we were giving a tour to one of the VPs at our college
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: we took him in to SL
[19:14]  Qadmon Celt: For me the great limitation is now knowing how to build things... Having to pay to get things done...
[19:14]  Corwin Carillon: and at the same time it can be very exlcusionary
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: and roamed looking for someone to talk to
[19:14]  hondomac Dalgleish: very much so - the ability to build, to modify your world and yourself is very engaging
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: when we finally met someone
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: we asked her why she liked SL
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: she said 'creativity'
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: couldn't ask for a better answer
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: because a lot of people don't see technology that way
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: or online learning that way
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: they see it as more of a technological straight jacket
[19:14]  Carolyn Carillon: sp??
[19:14]  Qadmon Celt: lucky you! LOL
[19:15]  Carolyn Carillon: perhaps because of some of the issues around LMSs
[19:15]  Corwin Carillon: I mean exclusionary also in the sense of our conversation about digidivide
[19:15]  Carolyn Carillon: they aren't the most flexible beasts
[19:15]  Carolyn Carillon: !!
[19:16]  hondomac Dalgleish: LMSs were designed for a time and place where most content was pre-existing and neede to managed - in here content happens on the fly
[19:16]  Sunshine Hapmouche: but they are a start in moving our of the brick classroom
[19:16]  Carolyn Carillon: how so sunshine?
[19:17]  Corwin Carillon: LMS came out of a conception of learning as transmission
[19:17]  Sunshine Hapmouche: our staff are still intimidated by Moodle
[19:17]  Corwin Carillon: what intimidates them sunshine?
[19:17]  Carolyn Carillon: LMSs just don't work well if your approach is more participatory
[19:17]  Carolyn Carillon: adaptive
[19:18]  Qadmon Celt: there's a risk with online moderation, too... If people try eLearning and faces a terrible moderator, or no moderator at all, that's the image they get of eLearning...
[19:18]  Carolyn Carillon: so true qadmon
[19:18]  Carolyn Carillon: one of the big challenges
[19:18]  Qadmon Celt: FOr me, it's critical to have more and better moderators... If we want to engage people..
[19:18]  Corwin Carillon: thats very true Qadmon
[19:18]  hondomac Dalgleish: I find LMSs to be somewhat inflexible, although I will admit that Moodle is less so than others I have worked with
[19:19]  Corwin Carillon: I'm concerned about that even more so in SCoPE as we are all online facilitators! :)
[19:19]  Carolyn Carillon: but we're here, too, Corwin
[19:19]  Corwin Carillon: in ref to Qadmon's point
[19:19]  Carolyn Carillon: & thanks for that
[19:19]  hondomac Dalgleish: moderation/facilitations is key, and we need to develop online facilitations skills and strategies
[19:19]  Qadmon Celt: exactly, cOrwin... Even with all the people participanting in SCoPE, we don't have "critical mass" yet..
[19:19]  Corwin Carillon: coz we are all facilitators it feels like I have a new line to negotiate
[19:19]  hondomac Dalgleish: they are different from the brickworld
[19:20]  Corwin Carillon: lol
[19:20]  Carolyn Carillon: difficult to develop
[19:20]  Carolyn Carillon: like any skill, you need to practice & practice :-)
[19:20]  Corwin Carillon: and language is key in moderation
[19:20]  Carolyn Carillon: most of our faculty don't even have experience as online learners
[19:20]  Qadmon Celt: that's true..
[19:20]  Carolyn Carillon: how so corwin?
[19:20]  Corwin Carillon: the way you phrase things is so important ...
[19:21]  hondomac Dalgleish: true - one of the advanttges that I do have
[19:21]  Corwin Carillon: open vs closing a conversation....
[19:21]  Qadmon Celt: I think being an online student should be a requisite to be an online facilitator...
[19:21]  Corwin Carillon: inclusive or exclusive of people and settings
[19:21]  Carolyn Carillon: can you explain the difference?
[19:21]  Carolyn Carillon: that's interesting
[19:21]  hondomac Dalgleish: it is so much more difficult than brick as allof the visual and body language cues are gone
[19:21]  hondomac Dalgleish: klanguage is key
[19:21]  Corwin Carillon: being able to think from multiple perspectives ... interpretations fo what you write before you hit submit
[19:22]  Corwin Carillon: yes hondo
[19:22]  Corwin Carillon: coming back to VoIP reduces strain for me
[19:22]  Corwin Carillon: we record conversations ..
[19:22]  hondomac Dalgleish: and typing is the new 21st century literacy skill
[19:22]  Sunshine Hapmouche: typing speed is a variation on body language
[19:22]  Corwin Carillon: listen on mp3s if not there
[19:22]  Corwin Carillon: hmmm
[19:22]  Corwin Carillon: not so sure Sunshine
[19:23]  Corwin Carillon: depends a bit if any protocols have been agrees
[19:23]  Corwin Carillon: agreed
[19:23]  Qadmon Celt: t h a t ' s t r u e... I c a n ' t t y p e f a s t e n o u g h ! ! !
[19:23]  Corwin Carillon: lol
[19:23]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:23]  Sunshine Hapmouche: I have trouble keeping up - must improve speed
[19:23]  Corwin Carillon: me too
[19:24]  hondomac Dalgleish: me either :-)
[19:24]  Corwin Carillon: so I type short ...
[19:24]  Corwin Carillon: with lots of .... .... ...
[19:24]  Corwin Carillon: :)
[19:24]  Qadmon Celt: same here...
[19:24]  Qadmon Celt: lots of ....
[19:24]  Sunshine Hapmouche: thanks for the tip
[19:24]  Corwin Carillon: hehe
[19:24]  hondomac Dalgleish: will
[19:24]  hondomac Dalgleish: have
[19:24]  Corwin Carillon: one from nancy white
[19:24]  hondomac Dalgleish: to
[19:24]  Qadmon Celt: LOL
[19:24]  hondomac Dalgleish: that :-)
[19:24]  hondomac Dalgleish: try
[19:24]  Carolyn Carillon: that's great
[19:24]  Carolyn Carillon: it's easier to read, too
[19:25]  Corwin Carillon: yes and ....
[19:25]  Sunshine Hapmouche: and more suspensful
[19:25]  Corwin Carillon: you know the person is still speaking
[19:25]  Corwin Carillon: lol
[19:25]  Sunshine Hapmouche: hmm, spelling is another issue
[19:25]  Qadmon Celt: I think that's another skill we need. To be able to say waht we wnat in a short way..
[19:26]  hondomac Dalgleish: new literacy skills for the online world
[19:26]  Qadmon Celt: We are so used to wirte looooonnngggg paragraphs in order to say a simple thing..
[19:26]  Carolyn Carillon: corwin, can i ask you more about opening & closing a conversation?
[19:26]  Corwin Carillon: maybe Qadom but ...
[19:26]  Carolyn Carillon: i'm not quite sure what you meant
[19:26]  Corwin Carillon: too short sort of means you're not being you.
[19:26]  Corwin Carillon: can mean
[19:27]  Qadmon Celt: you need to have balance...
[19:27]  Corwin Carillon: open vs closing ...
[19:27]  Corwin Carillon: yes Q
[19:27]  Qadmon Celt: And I mean blogs, for example... It's been so hard for me to have short posts!
[19:27]  Corwin Carillon: I meant that the language we use can sometimes shut down dialogue unintentionally
[19:27]  Carolyn Carillon: can you give an example?
[19:27]  Corwin Carillon: and sometimes we might want to shut it down!
[19:28]  Corwin Carillon: :)
[19:28]  Carolyn Carillon: hehe
[19:28]  Qadmon Celt: I wirte and write adn write, and I have to remember that a post is not an scholar article (though it could be)..
[19:28]  hondomac Dalgleish: :-)
[19:28]  Corwin Carillon: for example ...
[19:28]  Corwin Carillon: summary poss
[19:28]  Corwin Carillon: posts
[19:28]  Carolyn Carillon: and an open conversation?
[19:29]  Qadmon Celt: Strategies to feed the fire, so to speak, right?
[19:29]  Corwin Carillon: well the summary post is often used a way to coalesce plus with pointers forward but it ofttn shuts things down completely
[19:29]  Carolyn Carillon: great analogy, qadmon :-)
[19:29]  Qadmon Celt: the conversation fire, I mean..
[19:29]  Corwin Carillon: yes Qadmon
[19:29]  Corwin Carillon: but more than this
[19:29]  Corwin Carillon: I think we put out fires unintentionally a lot
[19:30]  Qadmon Celt: Happens all the time, COrwin..
[19:30]  Corwin Carillon: with people coming from very diff contenxts
[19:30]  Corwin Carillon: yesonground and online
[19:30]  Qadmon Celt: absolutely. just a word (even a stare) can kill dialogue completely..
[19:31]  Corwin Carillon: exactly
[19:31]  Corwin Carillon: but in narrowbandwith text only ...
[19:31]  hondomac Dalgleish: context is always an issue. Is it easier to set context in here with the visual component than it is in an online course without it?
[19:31]  Carolyn Carillon: narrowbandwidth?
[19:31]  Corwin Carillon: the impact is more difficult to judge at times
[19:31]  Qadmon Celt: I was just thinking about that...
[19:31]  Corwin Carillon: text only = narrow
[19:31]  Carolyn Carillon: gotcha
[19:32]  Sunshine Hapmouche: perhaps facilitation strategies / hints / tips and issues could be another thread at SCoPE?
[19:32]  Corwin Carillon: that's a great idea !
[19:32]  Carolyn Carillon: wonderful suggestion sunshine
[19:32]  Corwin Carillon: would you start it?
[19:32]  Qadmon Celt: I'm so focused on the chat that I kinda forget the environment, but just looking around reminds me that I'm sitting in a campfire.. LOL
[19:32]  hondomac Dalgleish: That's a great idea
[19:32]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:33]  Corwin Carillon: Sunshine ... will you post that thread for us?
[19:33]  Corwin Carillon: :-)
[19:33]  Sunshine Hapmouche: sure, I'll give it a try
[19:33]  Corwin Carillon: tyvm
[19:33]  Corwin Carillon: tyvm = thank you very much
[19:33]  Qadmon Celt: talking about short...
[19:33]  Sunshine Hapmouche: you're welcome
[19:34]  Qadmon Celt: short writing..
[19:34]  Sunshine Hapmouche: a glossary too?
[19:34]  Carolyn Carillon: heeh
[19:34]  Qadmon Celt: very useful, IMHO..
[19:34]  Corwin Carillon: hehe :) a glossary wouldn't harm!
[19:34]  Qadmon Celt: LOL
[19:34]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:35]  Corwin Carillon: Folks ... I'm starting to wilt ... this is a great conversation but this is my forth in 10 hours ... lagging
[19:35]  Carolyn Carillon: np corwin
[19:35]  Carolyn Carillon: thanks for a wonderful conversation
[19:36]  Qadmon Celt: it's late here too, corwin...
[19:36]  Carolyn Carillon: one of the best experiences i've had in sl
[19:36]  Carolyn Carillon: great to meet you all
[19:36]  Qadmon Celt: I agree. This has been great!
[19:36]  Corwin Carillon: if it's ok ...
[19:36]  Corwin Carillon: I will post the chat
[19:36]  Qadmon Celt: Ok by me
[19:36]  Carolyn Carillon: np
[19:36]  hondomac Dalgleish: this has been great Corwin thanks very much
[19:36]  Sunshine Hapmouche: I was just wondering what was discussed at the earlier sessions, thanks
[19:36]  hondomac Dalgleish: thanks
[19:36]  Corwin Carillon: the earlier one is in SCoPE
[19:36]  Qadmon Celt: thank you for this memorable environment, corwin..
[19:37]  Corwin Carillon: I had two others with another group .;.. CPsqaure
[19:37]  Sunshine Hapmouche: Thank you for a great experiance, thank you all for your patience
[19:37]  Corwin Carillon: ty all for a very meanigful discussion ...
[19:37]  Corwin Carillon: i've really got a lot from this :)
[19:37]  Carolyn Carillon: so corwin, we can come back & look around on our own anytime?
[19:38]  Carolyn Carillon: do you schedule other events here?
[19:38]  Corwin Carillon: yes it is open for now ....
[19:38]  hondomac Dalgleish: Hopefully you wiull be able to make it to our Thursday conversatiuon - we don't have a campfire but...
[19:38]  Corwin Carillon: it may move to the NMC campus soon
[19:38]  Carolyn Carillon: oh definitely
[19:38]  Carolyn Carillon: please come
[19:38]  Corwin Carillon: what time is it GMt .. Thu
[19:38]  Carolyn Carillon: midnight, hondo?
[19:38]  Carolyn Carillon: would that be right?
[19:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: 8PM GMT-4
[19:39]  Corwin Carillon: ack
[19:39]  Corwin Carillon: 4am for me
[19:39]  Carolyn Carillon: ugh!
[19:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: so midnight GMT
[19:39]  Corwin Carillon: mdinight GMt is 8am for me
[19:39]  Sunshine Hapmouche: is it every Thursday?
[19:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: ugh - that's no good
[19:39]  Carolyn Carillon: every thursday
[19:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: it is
[19:39]  Corwin Carillon: 8am is fine
[19:39]  Carolyn Carillon: corwin, we'll have to find a time for us to get together
[19:39]  Corwin Carillon: but 4pm GMT is imposs
[19:39]  hondomac Dalgleish: we will
[19:40]  Corwin Carillon: but go with your max numbers
[19:40]  Corwin Carillon: :)
[19:40]  Carolyn Carillon: perhaps we could invite some of our folks from organizational learning
[19:40]  Corwin Carillon: HK time is always off
[19:40]  Corwin Carillon grins
[19:40]  Carolyn Carillon: :-)
[19:40]  Carolyn Carillon: must be challenging
[19:40]  Corwin Carillon: hehe
[19:40]  hondomac Dalgleish: so it's almost noon Saturday in HK?
[19:40]  Corwin Carillon: yep
[19:40]  Corwin Carillon: 11.40am
[19:41]  Carolyn Carillon: so you're 12 hours off from us
[19:41]  Sunshine Hapmouche: just pull an all nighter or a sleep over party
[19:41]  hondomac Dalgleish: 12 hours difference with us - 11:40 PM Friday here
[19:41]  Corwin Carillon: ok, lookforward to talking back in SCoPE
[19:41]  Carolyn Carillon: ha!
[19:41]  hondomac Dalgleish: fo sure - glas we discovered each other
[19:41]  Corwin Carillon: hehe sunshine
[19:41]  Qadmon Celt: We'll see you back at SCoPE!
[19:41]  Corwin Carillon: if I can make it, I can bring a campfire!
[19:41]  Carolyn Carillon: sounds good
[19:42]  Carolyn Carillon: sure thing!
[19:42]  Sunshine Hapmouche: thank you so much for your calling cards, I hope you won't regret it!
[19:42]  hondomac Dalgleish: great
[19:42]  hondomac Dalgleish: never :-)
[19:42]  Carolyn Carillon: absolutely
[19:42]  Corwin Carillon: if you want to play around with the tools here, I can add you to the boracay group
[19:42]  Carolyn Carillon: thanks, corwin
[19:42]  Qadmon Celt: that would be great, crowin!
[19:42]  Carolyn Carillon: would appreciate that
[19:42]  Corwin Carillon: ok one sec
[19:42]  hondomac Dalgleish: That would be very kind Corwin
[19:43]  Sunshine Hapmouche: sure, it's always good to learn new stuff
[19:44]  Corwin Carillon: ok, you should all have received invites.
[19:44]  hondomac Dalgleish: Thanks
[19:44]  Corwin Carillon: you need to make sure the group is active
[19:44]  Sunshine Hapmouche: Thank you Corwin!
[19:44]  Qadmon Celt: You're very kind, Corwin!
[19:44]  Corwin Carillon: when you want to rez something
[19:44]  Corwin Carillon: my pleasure
[19:45]  Corwin Carillon: are you all gonna stay and chat a bit longer?
[19:45]  Carolyn Carillon: i think i better head off
[19:45]  Qadmon Celt: if anyone is interested, I'm qadmon at skype...
[19:45]  Carolyn Carillon: thanks qadmon
[19:45]  Sunshine Hapmouche: I need to go too
[19:45]  hondomac Dalgleish: I'm probably off home - it's near midnight here
[19:45]  hondomac Dalgleish: but this has been great
[19:45]  Qadmon Celt: I think I'll go too.. However, we can always force the sun back!
[19:45]  Sunshine Hapmouche: when I come back will I materialize her?
[19:46]  Corwin Carillon: depends how you have the client set up in preferences
[19:46]  Sunshine Hapmouche: here
[19:46]  Corwin Carillon: can you all stand up and I will clear this away
[19:46]  Qadmon Celt: It's been great to meet you all!
[19:46]  Sunshine Hapmouche: well I guess I'll find ourt next time then
[19:46]  hondomac Dalgleish: it has
[19:46]  Sunshine Hapmouche: good night
[19:46]  Carolyn Carillon: nite sunshine
[19:46]  Corwin Carillon: I can tell you now sunshine before you go
[19:47]  Qadmon Celt: good night to all!
[19:47]  Carolyn Carillon: nite all
[19:47]  hondomac Dalgleish: nite everyone
[19:49]  Sunshine Hapmouche: thanks again this has bee a lot of fun
[19:49]  Corwin Carillon: gnite
[19:49]  Sunshine Hapmouche: good night

Would anyone be willing to summarize and bring any points from these into the main threads?

Thanks :-)

We've started to talk about the last ten years and we have varying experiences and I hope people will continue to add their learning experiences, their takeaways there :-)

So looking at the online facilitation landscape now, what does online facilitation, in all its forms, look like to you in 2007?

Is what we learned in those workshops, and through participation in the
discussion forums/lists still current?

Hi Christie

I'm hoping we will have those conversations too, although this seminar is more about sharing our experiences of what we've learned from/about online facilitation, where it is now and where we see it headed, rather than problem solving.

Hope you will post your stories in the thread that was started for that conversation.

great to have you along, invitation sent! :-)