I'm really starting to feel these shifts too Robin. Although not inside my university workplace as teaching-learning are still very traditionally orientated here (f2f, content transmission on the whole). I wonder if Frederica is too as she mentions a wiki, Frederica?
Are others here experiencing these shifts in their practice?
Nick Noakes
Posts made by Nick Noakes
Hi Alvaro
It was yesterday I'm afraid. It wasn't meant to be a focus for this conversation, just a bit of fun and a different, additional way to experience welcome/getting to know each other type of activity.
I'd be happy to do something at the end of the 3 weeks though as a closer to this. But I am in Second Life regularly, so you we may catch each other online there.
It was yesterday I'm afraid. It wasn't meant to be a focus for this conversation, just a bit of fun and a different, additional way to experience welcome/getting to know each other type of activity.
I'd be happy to do something at the end of the 3 weeks though as a closer to this. But I am in Second Life regularly, so you we may catch each other online there.
Here is our campfire introductions and brief discussion chat log from the first group. There were some good points raised during the discussion!
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[7:59] Corwin Carillon: hello
[7:59] Corwin Carillon: welcome
[7:59] Eugene Perenti: Hi
[7:59] Corwin Carillon: hi eugene
[7:59] Eugene Perenti: had a bit of trouble logging in tonight
[8:00] Cristina Papp: hi
[8:00] Eugene Perenti: hello Cristina
[8:00] Cristina Papp: hello eugene
[8:01] Corwin Carillon: hi christina
[8:01] Cristina Papp: hi corwin
[8:02] Corwin Carillon: shall we go to the campfire
[8:02] Eugene Perenti: there are some others scattered about the island i think
[8:02] Cristina Papp: ok
[8:03] Corwin Carillon: over here
[8:03] Corwin Carillon: welcome
[8:04] Corwin Carillon: to make it a bit more atmospheric
[8:04] Cristina Papp: nice place
[8:04] Corwin Carillon: world -> Force Sun -> midnight
[8:04] Eugene Perenti: midnight it is
[8:05] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Oh, that makes it look different.
[8:05] angua Koenkamp: ooh spooky
[8:05] Corwin Carillon: :)
[8:05] Cristina Papp: haaha
[8:05] Corwin Carillon: so welcome all ...
[8:05] Corwin Carillon: angua please have a seat
[8:06] Corwin Carillon: right click on one the light brown balls and choose sit
[8:06] Busy Link: I never know how to sit any more :-(
[8:06] Corwin Carillon: you got it :)
[8:06] Busy Link: at last :-)
[8:06] Eugene Perenti: well done!
[8:07] Busy Link: but you don't always have these aids to sit, right?
[8:07] Corwin Carillon: I have to go and get a few people
[8:07] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Can I just aske a quick question ... I seem to have got a red arrow on the screen - I am guessing that it's pointing to Corwin. Is it?
[8:07] Corwin Carillon: can you introduce yourselves?
[8:07] Corwin Carillon: just click the red arrow and it will go
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: one thing....
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: next to the chat window
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: is a history button
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: click this
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: it helps to have it open
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: so you can read back
[8:09] Corwin Carillon: so excuse me for a sec while I find one or two people who are lost
[8:09] Eugene Perenti: ok
[8:09] Emmadw Rickenbacker: SUre, I'm Emma - A lecturer from Portsmouth University in the UK. WE're starting to look at Second LIfe for teaching, but very much at the starting stages.
[8:09] Cristina Papp: ok, thanks!
[8:09] angua Koenkamp: why is busy link muted? did i mute them?
[8:09] Busy Link: Am I muted?
[8:09] Cristina Papp: I'm Cristina - i teach at the university of Barcelona and I'm interested in using SL in class to teach english
[8:09] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I can see you talking, Busy Link
[8:09] Busy Link: Emma
[8:10] Corwin Carillon: hi
[8:10] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: hi
[8:12] Eugene Perenti: No, i don;t think i was at that one
[8:12] Busy Link: Wednesday evening with SusNyrop
[8:12] Busy Link: Ah, a pity :-)
[8:13] Eugene Perenti: i don't like telephone conferences much
[8:13] Bee Kerouac: bonsoir
[8:13] Eugene Perenti: hello Bee
[8:13] Busy Link: I was talking about the EV sessions and the BaW workshop
[8:13] angua Koenkamp: wonder if tiaka is coming today - we work on same online game
[8:13] Busy Link: In fact it was quite interesting to do it with skype and a wiki
[8:14] Busy Link: Hi Bee
[8:14] Corwin Carillon: ok, so if you haven't already, please set the sun to midnight ... World -> Force Sun -> midnight
[8:14] Eugene Perenti: What's BaW please?
[8:14] Emmadw Rickenbacker: What were you doing with Skype & a Wiki, Busy?
[8:15] Busy Link: Becoming a Webhead
[8:15] Busy Link: a presentation
[8:15] Eugene Perenti: ah, thanks
[8:15] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Sounds interesting.
[8:15] Busy Link: it was by the simplicity of the tools we used :-)
[8:15] StarCloud Runo: hi folks. finally figured out how to sit :(
[8:15] angua Koenkamp: that mindmap site is very good - just made 3
[8:16] Corwin Carillon: :)
[8:16] Cristina Papp: hi starcloud
[8:16] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Yes, it is good, isn't it? I got an account there the other day. (The MIndmeister one, anyway)
[8:16] StarCloud Runo: hi cristina
[8:16] angua Koenkamp: might have to buy an account
[8:17] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: hi to all, I guess U can tell I'm a newbie!
[8:17] Bee Kerouac: Hello Oby
[8:17] StarCloud Runo: nice place here, corwin!
[8:17] Cristina Papp: hi oby
[8:17] Eugene Perenti: i might try to learn how to stage a music concert in here some day.
[8:17] Bee Kerouac: hope you do not mind the nickname
[8:17] Bee Kerouac: name is too long to type
[8:17] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: not at all
[8:17] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I have a question, though I think that the answer is "No". I've now got the chat window history open as suggested. Is it possible to drag it out of the main Window, or do I just have to do what I'm doing, which is to rty to find the location where is covers the least other things.
[8:18] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it was quite hard to think of one, but just use my real name, that's short: Jan
[8:18] Eugene Perenti: Do you think it would be better if we all used Real Names?
[8:18] Corwin Carillon: you can drag it around
[8:18] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I'm happy to use mine, but I Know that some prefer not to. Besides, how do you know I'm really called Emma?
[8:18] Bee Kerouac: my nickname here is my nickname out there...so no pb
[8:18] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I reckon use what you're happy with.
[8:19] Busy Link: Sp Ewing - you look like my twin sister :-)
[8:19] Eugene Perenti: I din;t have much choice when i signed up
[8:19] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: My true name sounds like a nick and I don't mind at this point, still learning! And got the wrong body! :-)
[8:19] Bee Kerouac: what do you mean by wrong body?
[8:19] Eugene Perenti: we need more logs!
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: I asked for a male rabbit!
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: sit on the round pose balls
[8:20] Sp Ewing: Hey!
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: :)
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: right click the mouse on them
[8:20] angua Koenkamp: well i not moving till after next meeting
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: and sit
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: you can speak?
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: who?
[8:20] angua Koenkamp: takes too long to get here without getting stuck
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: I heard a Hey!
[8:21] Busy Link: Do you sue audio here Nick?
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: ouch
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: we can use skkype
[8:21] Busy Link: I mean normal audio
[8:21] Bee Kerouac: Ewing
[8:21] angua Koenkamp: who is sitting in the fire?
[8:21] Bee Kerouac: oh there you are
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: there is no inbuilt audio
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: or do you mean listening to things?
[8:21] StarCloud Runo: hi there Sp Ewing
[8:21] Bee Kerouac: you managed to get yourself seated properly
[8:22] StarCloud Runo: welcome to my log.
[8:22] Sp Ewing: hi. i 'm out of the hot seat now.
[8:22] Busy Link: well I meant using the audio as Gavin does
[8:22] Bee Kerouac: would you mind introducing yourselves by your real names?
[8:22] Corwin Carillon: I don't have a server
[8:22] Sp Ewing: julia
[8:22] Bee Kerouac: and say where you are from?
[8:22] Busy Link: ah :-)
[8:22] Sp Ewing: SFU Vancouver
[8:22] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: Jan, from Cagliari, Sardinia
[8:22] Cristina Papp: Cristina from Barcelona
[8:23] Busy Link: we have been doing that Bee but we can start again :-)
[8:23] angua Koenkamp: Corinne, Birmingham, UK
[8:23] Corwin Carillon: Nick from Hong Kong
[8:23] Bee Kerouac: sorry
[8:23] StarCloud Runo: bev from south texas
[8:23] Busy Link: Moira i n France
[8:23] Bee Kerouac: Bee from Brazil
[8:23] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Emma from Portsmouth, UK.
[8:23] Stephen Haigh: Stephen Thorpe from Auckland, New Zealand
[8:23] Eugene Perenti: Andy Roberts from London, UK
[8:24] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Pretty much round the world then! Some I guess have got up early (or gone to bed late!), others are at having lunch!
[8:24] Bee Kerouac: Ahhh...eugene is Andy...I befriended you in Flickr without knowing you were the same person
[8:24] Corwin Carillon: yes ,,,
[8:24] Corwin Carillon: from GMT -8 to GMT +13!
[8:24] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it's 5 pm for me
[8:24] Eugene Perenti: I met you once before, Bee
[8:25] Stephen Haigh: 5am for me - early bird
[8:25] Sp Ewing: are you all in education
[8:25] Bee Kerouac: yes...I was changing clothes...most embarassing...lol
[8:25] Eugene Perenti: I've finished work, and I'm going to a party in an hour or so
[8:25] Cristina Papp: me too, its 5 pm for me
[8:25] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: non formal education for me
[8:25] Corwin Carillon: for me 12.30am
[8:26] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Yes, I'm in Education, but I'm also thinking about online communication & facilitation for volunteers working overseas (VSO), as it's something I used to do myself.
[8:26] StarCloud Runo: education--yes.
[8:26] Cristina Papp: i'm in education too
[8:26] Bee Kerouac: 13:26 here
[8:26] StarCloud Runo: small university.
[8:26] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Sorry, by "thinking" I mean, am involved with, & it's on my mind right now, as I've got a meeting this evening.
[8:26] Busy Link: 17.24 here and in education
[8:27] Sp Ewing: How have you used this in Educ?
[8:27] Eugene Perenti: I think SL is going to be best for social networking and creativity
[8:27] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: Emmadw, I work in the volunteers field too, European Voluntary Service, it's a EU program, ever heard?
[8:27] Cristina Papp: i haven't used it yet but i want to hear from educators who have used it
[8:27] Emmadw Rickenbacker: We haven't yet, we're just starting to think about it ... for under & post graduates. At the investigating stages.
[8:27] Busy Link: Obyone, tell us abou it please
[8:27] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: sure.
[8:28] angua Koenkamp: sl movement etc is quite hard compared to active world
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it's a European Commission
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: program fostering
[8:28] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Jan ... I've heard of it, but only briefly. I'll make you a friend & we can continue the conversation some other time.
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: the exchange of young
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: volunteers
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: among EU, and non EU too,
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: countries
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: and I am a Italian
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: national trainer for it
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: !
[8:29] Bee Kerouac: when you say young, how young?
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: 18-30
[8:29] Bee Kerouac: lol
[8:29] Busy Link: sounds interesting - and what are they volunteers for?
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: any field really. In 2005 there where 12000 different projects
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: and they range from environmental issues
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: to work with children
[8:30] Emmadw Rickenbacker: That's interesting, Jan. The VSO youth program is generally for the under 25s. (There are two youth programmes, but I think they're both under 25).
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: to cultural ones... and so on
[8:30] Bee Kerouac: sthg like rotary (for teens at secondary school) and friends of the world has been doing for years
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: well..
[8:30] angua Koenkamp: my friend tracey did teaching nin grenada and zambia
[8:30] Corwin Carillon: folks would you like to try Skyping ?
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it was for up to 26 till last year
[8:30] Cristina Papp: sure
[8:30] Sp Ewing: yes, let's skype
[8:30] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Quite happy to listen to you doing it, but my mike is at work. And I'm not.
[8:30] Busy Link: OK Nick
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: skype cool for me
[8:31] Corwin Carillon: http://tinyurl.com/2vx2fm
[8:31] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: I'm janniccu there
[8:31] Corwin Carillon: hi nancy
[8:31] Eugene Perenti: I'm in a public library so Silence is the rule
[8:31] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: :)
[8:31] Choconancy Lupino: Hiya
[8:31] Bee Kerouac: hello Nancy
[8:31] Eugene Perenti: hello Nancy
[8:32] Corwin Carillon: ahh sorry eugene
[8:32] Choconancy Lupino: trying to sit. haha
[8:32] Bee Kerouac: tere is a seat near christina
[8:33] Busy Link: can't get ito the skype at the moment
[8:33] Bee Kerouac: right click on the pose ball
[8:33] Emmadw Rickenbacker: It's telling me that it's going to start a skype out call? Is that right?
[8:33] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: ops
[8:34] Choconancy Lupino: ok, phew. Awkward of me.
[8:34] Choconancy Lupino: is there a dial in? I'm unprepared. Can yo utell? (the time slot just opened)
[8:34] Busy Link: working now :-)
[8:35] Emmadw Rickenbacker: My Skype name is Emmadw & I'm logged in now, but can't use Skype out as I've not got any credit.
[8:35] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: no need for credit if it's a skype to skype
[8:35] Sp Ewing: i'm finnigan08
[8:35] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: how many are we?
[8:35] angua Koenkamp: u don't need skypeout
[8:36] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: too many, skype vocal conference is up to 10 people
[8:36] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Wonder why it told me that it was Skype out? I'll try again :)
[8:36] Corwin Carillon: http://tinyurl.com/2vx2fm
[8:36] Busy Link: no Obyone, this is a skypecast so many
[8:37] Corwin Carillon: some people are in skype
[8:37] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: fine, but I tried to join and it says it's not possible to find it!
[8:37] Emmadw Rickenbacker: It's still telling me that it wants me to Skype out. DOn't worry ... I'm fine in here (actually, I don't really like Skype - or audio in general, hence not being very familar with it, nor having a mike to hand!)
[8:37] Eugene Perenti: some people are in SecondLife
[8:38] angua Koenkamp: emma u came and went
[8:38] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I'll try again!
[8:38] Busy Link: we're coming back here to text :-)
[8:39] Choconancy Lupino: I'm in lag land. I'm going to close some apps to see if I can get things to go smoother
[8:39] Corwin Carillon: only have SL open ..
[8:39] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I haven't got a mike, so I can't talk to you!
[8:39] Stephen Haigh: me too - I'll need to reboot - brb
[8:39] Corwin Carillon: better that way ... it is a resource hog :(
[8:39] Eugene Perenti: I suppose sitting helps when there's a crowd but surely the whol epoint of a 3D world is to move about and explore
[8:40] Emmadw Rickenbacker: LOL!
[8:40] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I can hear fine, though.
[8:40] Corwin Carillon: we will stick to chat here
[8:40] Busy Link: Emma, np as we're leaving the skypecast as there were only four of us :-)
[8:40] Emmadw Rickenbacker: OK
[8:40] Corwin Carillon: one thing for those of you who just arrived
[8:40] Corwin Carillon: if you'd like a bit more atmosphere
[8:40] Bee Kerouac: very slow here lots of lag
[8:40] Beth Kavka accepted your inventory offer.
[8:40] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: sure
[8:41] Corwin Carillon: please take the sun to mignight .. World -> Force Sun -> midnight
[8:41] StarCloud Runo: now, that's more like it...a real campfire!
[8:42] Choconancy Lupino: funny!
[8:42] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: cool
[8:42] Choconancy Lupino: The birds are still noisy. Don't they go to sleep? ;-)
[8:42] Eugene Perenti: I just saw a shooting star!
[8:42] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: LoL
[8:42] Corwin Carillon: hehe no
[8:42] Busy Link: lol noisy seagulls
[8:42] Corwin Carillon: I give them speed
[8:42] StarCloud Runo: it's the same one hovering....somebody toss it some breadcrumbs!
[8:42] Corwin Carillon: lol
[8:42] Sp Ewing: how do i get marshmallows for all?
[8:43] Eugene Perenti: ew
[8:43] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: sorry guys, my first time in SL, can some expert give a 3 minutes survival kit of information?
[8:43] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Sp = Marshmallows sound great. Do we have sticks to toast them on?
[8:43] Busy Link: Wow, tried to extinguish the seagull and it didn't work ;-)
[8:43] Sp Ewing: i climb well
[8:44] angua Koenkamp: if u get stuck inside a tree try flying
[8:44] Choconancy Lupino: I moved back to sunset so I could see my flying colleagues!
[8:44] Corwin Carillon: onyone ... maybe we can do the survival after
[8:45] Sp Ewing: how do i pick up the guitar
[8:45] angua Koenkamp: is there a way back to tutorial island where westarted?
[8:45] Corwin Carillon: so does someone have a story they are willing to share about learning online faciltiation?
[8:45] Eugene Perenti: I tried the guitar, it doesn;t work
[8:45] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: fine, it will be some other time thanks, in half an hour I am going for a swim (a real one)
[8:45] Choconancy Lupino: Well, you are donig it right now. Living it.
[8:45] Corwin Carillon: angua, you can type help island in the map
[8:45] Choconancy Lupino: Not just talking about it.
[8:45] Eugene Perenti: I'd like to learn how to stream music in though
[8:46] Busy Link: Yes, let's live it by learning how to play the guitar :-)
[8:46] Eugene Perenti: Someone ot teh conference says we shoudl talk about trolls instead of arranging trips here
[8:46] StarCloud Runo: have any of your institutions purchased land for use in coursework?
[8:47] Cristina Papp: no, I wanted to try doing sth on my own before asking my institution
[8:47] Emmadw Rickenbacker: StarCloud, no: But, do you know if it's possible to "rent" space at particular times for classes while we're experimenting?
[8:47] Cristina Papp: there's the 'English Lounge'
[8:47] Eugene Perenti: I don;t know any one with land. Corwin, could you explain how Boracay island got here perhaps?
[8:48] StarCloud Runo: emma, no, not sure at all about pricing or education freebies, if any.
[8:48] Cristina Papp: and 'Edunation' island also rents spsaces
[8:48] Busy Link: The forst time I came to SL in October, I found the feature "Dance", I enjoyed that so much that Graham Stanley sent me more dance files. I danced away and had a great time and then forgot how to stop - that was a great example of online facilitating her in SL
[8:48] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Thanks, I'll investigate them.
[8:48] Busy Link: just doing and learning
[8:48] Bee Kerouac: I'm sorry ws booted out
[8:48] Eugene Perenti: Hello Bee, welcome back
[8:49] Corwin Carillon: welcome back bee
[8:49] Corwin Carillon: so did everyone learn online facilitation by the seat of their pants?
[8:49] Emmadw Rickenbacker: More or less, yes.
[8:49] Bee Kerouac: yes
[8:49] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: works for me
[8:49] Eugene Perenti: yup
[8:49] Busy Link: Yes and did the courses aferwards to see what others were doig and how
[8:49] angua Koenkamp: still not sure what online facilitation is
[8:50] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: good point
[8:50] Cristina Papp: sorry! i have to go, I have a meeting! see you soon!
[8:50] Stephen Haigh: by making mistakes! and having fun mostly, and relying on my f2f training
[8:50] Corwin Carillon: by Christina
[8:50] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I did attend one of the Online Facilitation Courses that uses Jilly Salmon's book & was run through the Institute of Education - but mostly it' was "suck it & see"
[8:50] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: ciao
[8:50] StarCloud Runo: corwin, how much time did it take to create Boracay and its environment?
[8:50] Stephen Haigh: bye christina
[8:51] Corwin Carillon: 3 months .. a bit at a time starcloud
[8:51] Bee Kerouac: see you
[8:51] Corwin Carillon: have others done any other courses?
[8:51] Eugene Perenti: I learned by arguing with people in usenet
[8:51] Choconancy Lupino: I learned first by watching, then doing (including a good bit of failing ) then sitting back and thinking about the intersection between online and F2F fac. Then I learned a WHOLE lot more by trying to teach others. There is where I really learned how much I did not k now.
[8:51] StarCloud Runo: wow. what are your future plans for this island?
[8:51] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: well, I'm taking a master degree on e-learning
[8:52] Eugene Perenti: Is it true that McDonalds have bought it?
[8:52] Eugene Perenti: cool . Is it a degree about e-learning or doing it?
[8:52] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Jan - where are you doing it? I'm guessing not Edinburgh, as they use SL, and you've said you're a newbie!
[8:53] Sp Ewing: how do I open this cooler?
[8:53] Corwin Carillon: we have a quite a wide range of experiences together ,.... seat of pants , usenet .... taking courses .... delivering courses !
[8:53] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: in Italy, entirely online....
[8:53] Emmadw Rickenbacker: we've also got an MSc in e-learning, and I'd like to bring SL into it more. Or it into SL more, depending on how you look at it!
[8:53] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it's from the University of Viterbo...
[8:53] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: and it's about learning design and course management
[8:53] Eugene Perenti: Msc is unusual
[8:54] Sp Ewing: it says touch to receive contents
[8:54] angua Koenkamp: nick drank them all
[8:54] Corwin Carillon: from all your varied experiences of online facilitation .... what have been some of the key learning points or take aways for you?
[8:54] Busy Link: Portsmouth MSc looks interesting Emma
[8:56] Stephen Haigh: 1 key one for me was to make sure I get the timing right for conference sessions - once I ended up telling half the group one time and the other half another - confused everyone including myself
[8:56] Busy Link: My richest experience from any course was one person who was an excellent online facilitator - so the individual giving the course would be my answer and not necessarily the course
[8:56] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Busy - contact me later, if you want more infor (though I'll be gone shortly after this session, as I have to go out).
[8:56] Choconancy Lupino: It's the people!!!
[8:56] Bee Kerouac gave you ****Wine Glass Merlot.
[8:56] Busy Link: Emma - moirahunter@gmail.com
[8:56] Stephen Haigh: I find purpose and culture are just as important online
[8:56] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: the people involved also on the learning side!
[8:56] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Busy - yes, I fully agree. The same as an course - the teacher & the students are often what makes it. Not the subject.
[8:56] Busy Link: although I'm not thinking of doing the course ;-)
[8:57] Choconancy Lupino: For me there have been a couple of "waves" of learning. And they keep coming! LOL
[8:57] Corwin Carillon: a big one for me was language ....
[8:57] Corwin Carillon: and also perspective
[8:57] Busy Link: it does look like a good choice for learners who ask me which courses are around
[8:57] Corwin Carillon: being able to take different perspectives I mean
[8:58] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Steve, what do you mean by "purpose & culture as well as being online"
[8:59] ****Wine Glass Merlot whispers: Bottoms UP!
[8:59] Stephen Haigh: hi Emma, having a clear purpose (or objective) for what your group wants to achieve online and a culture to get there (Culture = ground rules)
[9:00] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: People, sorry to interrupt but I must go. It was quite interesting to come here as my first SL ever. I'll read you all in Scope. Can anyone copy the chat text at the end?
[9:00] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Ah, yes, that makes sense.
[9:00] Choconancy Lupino: drink a glass of wine for me. Client just called and I have to do something for them. Like NOW! ;-) Thanks for such a lovely hosting job, Corwin/Nick!
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: I'm logging the chat
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: thx nancy
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: bye
[9:01] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: great see you all then! Ciao!
[9:01] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Yes, I have to go to ... need to make a real life curry!
[9:01] Bee Kerouac: bye
[9:01] Sp Ewing: thanks all
[9:01] Busy Link: Bye Nancy
[9:01] Eugene Perenti: It seems to be the economy which has stirred up a lot of teh interest in SL
[9:01] Stephen Haigh: bye Emma, By Nancy
[9:01] Busy Link: Bye Obyone
[9:01] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Thanks, it's been interesting meeting you all, and thanks for the wine glass that someone gave me. Very useful when cooking ;)
[9:02] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Bye.
[9:02] Busy Link: Bye Emma
[9:02] Eugene Perenti: can anybody explain how value is created?
[9:02] Corwin Carillon: hehe
[9:02] Corwin Carillon: bye emma
[9:03] Bee Kerouac: value is created by the people who come here and consume whatever there is to consume
[9:03] Eugene Perenti: i understand some neighborhoods wil become more sought after than others
[9:03] Eugene Perenti: well there's nothing to consume except the experience i suppose
[9:04] Bee Kerouac: as you say
[9:04] Eugene Perenti: neighborhood is the concept I'm grappling with
[9:05] Eugene Perenti: can we find more like minded people in some places than others
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: I would not like to live in the city for instance
[9:05] Eugene Perenti: are there cities here?
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: sure enough
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: big urban area
[9:05] Busy Link: there are weird places too just like in reallife
[9:05] Eugene Perenti: I've seen lots of deserted streets
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: full of cars
[9:06] Eugene Perenti: what use are the cars to anybody?
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: people just drive them
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: stop by
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: ask you if you want a ride
[9:06] Stephen Haigh: good point - when we can fly!
[9:06] Busy Link: well, I suppose you could ask the same question - what use is makeup and nice clothees here? Couldn't you?
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: a matter of status I suppose
[9:06] Eugene Perenti: exactly, when we have flight and teleportation, why reproduce offworld transport
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: or just because it somehow fits the city
[9:07] Eugene Perenti: I do !
[9:07] Stephen Haigh: a form or way of representing ourselves
[9:07] Eugene Perenti: "is it all about dressing up and shopping"
[9:07] Busy Link: right Stephen - I notice that for some people here it is essential to have the right image wheras others don't pay attention to that
[9:08] Stephen Haigh: it's nice I think to interact with an avatar - a fun change to chatting or blogging, or email
[9:08] Corwin Carillon: folks I need to go ... 1am for me ... thanks very much for coming ... you;re all welcome to stay as long as you want
[9:08] Bee Kerouac: see you and thanks for inviting us
[9:08] Stephen Haigh: Thanks so much Nick
[9:08] Corwin Carillon: look forward to your posting in the forum in SCoPE
[9:08] Eugene Perenti: it just seems to lack imagination to me. There must be possibilities to create and do stuff that is not bound up with simulation of what we already know
[9:08] Busy Link: Well, me too, I have to go. Thank you very much Nick :-)
[9:09] Stephen Haigh: and for your leadership on SCoPE
[9:09] Bee Kerouac: the normal cycle is reproducing first what you know
[9:09] Eugene Perenti: But that will take time I suppose
[9:09] Corwin Carillon: thx folks g'nite
[9:09] Bee Kerouac: and then you move into experimenting I suppose
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[7:59] Corwin Carillon: hello
[7:59] Corwin Carillon: welcome
[7:59] Eugene Perenti: Hi
[7:59] Corwin Carillon: hi eugene
[7:59] Eugene Perenti: had a bit of trouble logging in tonight
[8:00] Cristina Papp: hi
[8:00] Eugene Perenti: hello Cristina
[8:00] Cristina Papp: hello eugene
[8:01] Corwin Carillon: hi christina
[8:01] Cristina Papp: hi corwin
[8:02] Corwin Carillon: shall we go to the campfire
[8:02] Eugene Perenti: there are some others scattered about the island i think
[8:02] Cristina Papp: ok
[8:03] Corwin Carillon: over here
[8:03] Corwin Carillon: welcome
[8:04] Corwin Carillon: to make it a bit more atmospheric
[8:04] Cristina Papp: nice place
[8:04] Corwin Carillon: world -> Force Sun -> midnight
[8:04] Eugene Perenti: midnight it is
[8:05] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Oh, that makes it look different.
[8:05] angua Koenkamp: ooh spooky
[8:05] Corwin Carillon: :)
[8:05] Cristina Papp: haaha
[8:05] Corwin Carillon: so welcome all ...
[8:05] Corwin Carillon: angua please have a seat
[8:06] Corwin Carillon: right click on one the light brown balls and choose sit
[8:06] Busy Link: I never know how to sit any more :-(
[8:06] Corwin Carillon: you got it :)
[8:06] Busy Link: at last :-)
[8:06] Eugene Perenti: well done!
[8:07] Busy Link: but you don't always have these aids to sit, right?
[8:07] Corwin Carillon: I have to go and get a few people
[8:07] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Can I just aske a quick question ... I seem to have got a red arrow on the screen - I am guessing that it's pointing to Corwin. Is it?
[8:07] Corwin Carillon: can you introduce yourselves?
[8:07] Corwin Carillon: just click the red arrow and it will go
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: one thing....
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: next to the chat window
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: is a history button
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: click this
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: it helps to have it open
[8:08] Corwin Carillon: so you can read back
[8:09] Corwin Carillon: so excuse me for a sec while I find one or two people who are lost
[8:09] Eugene Perenti: ok
[8:09] Emmadw Rickenbacker: SUre, I'm Emma - A lecturer from Portsmouth University in the UK. WE're starting to look at Second LIfe for teaching, but very much at the starting stages.
[8:09] Cristina Papp: ok, thanks!
[8:09] angua Koenkamp: why is busy link muted? did i mute them?
[8:09] Busy Link: Am I muted?
[8:09] Cristina Papp: I'm Cristina - i teach at the university of Barcelona and I'm interested in using SL in class to teach english
[8:09] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I can see you talking, Busy Link
[8:09] Busy Link: Emma
[8:10] Corwin Carillon: hi
[8:10] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: hi
[8:12] Eugene Perenti: No, i don;t think i was at that one
[8:12] Busy Link: Wednesday evening with SusNyrop
[8:12] Busy Link: Ah, a pity :-)
[8:13] Eugene Perenti: i don't like telephone conferences much
[8:13] Bee Kerouac: bonsoir
[8:13] Eugene Perenti: hello Bee
[8:13] Busy Link: I was talking about the EV sessions and the BaW workshop
[8:13] angua Koenkamp: wonder if tiaka is coming today - we work on same online game
[8:13] Busy Link: In fact it was quite interesting to do it with skype and a wiki
[8:14] Busy Link: Hi Bee
[8:14] Corwin Carillon: ok, so if you haven't already, please set the sun to midnight ... World -> Force Sun -> midnight
[8:14] Eugene Perenti: What's BaW please?
[8:14] Emmadw Rickenbacker: What were you doing with Skype & a Wiki, Busy?
[8:15] Busy Link: Becoming a Webhead
[8:15] Busy Link: a presentation
[8:15] Eugene Perenti: ah, thanks
[8:15] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Sounds interesting.
[8:15] Busy Link: it was by the simplicity of the tools we used :-)
[8:15] StarCloud Runo: hi folks. finally figured out how to sit :(
[8:15] angua Koenkamp: that mindmap site is very good - just made 3
[8:16] Corwin Carillon: :)
[8:16] Cristina Papp: hi starcloud
[8:16] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Yes, it is good, isn't it? I got an account there the other day. (The MIndmeister one, anyway)
[8:16] StarCloud Runo: hi cristina
[8:16] angua Koenkamp: might have to buy an account
[8:17] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: hi to all, I guess U can tell I'm a newbie!
[8:17] Bee Kerouac: Hello Oby
[8:17] StarCloud Runo: nice place here, corwin!
[8:17] Cristina Papp: hi oby
[8:17] Eugene Perenti: i might try to learn how to stage a music concert in here some day.
[8:17] Bee Kerouac: hope you do not mind the nickname
[8:17] Bee Kerouac: name is too long to type
[8:17] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: not at all
[8:17] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I have a question, though I think that the answer is "No". I've now got the chat window history open as suggested. Is it possible to drag it out of the main Window, or do I just have to do what I'm doing, which is to rty to find the location where is covers the least other things.
[8:18] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it was quite hard to think of one, but just use my real name, that's short: Jan
[8:18] Eugene Perenti: Do you think it would be better if we all used Real Names?
[8:18] Corwin Carillon: you can drag it around
[8:18] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I'm happy to use mine, but I Know that some prefer not to. Besides, how do you know I'm really called Emma?
[8:18] Bee Kerouac: my nickname here is my nickname out there...so no pb
[8:18] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I reckon use what you're happy with.
[8:19] Busy Link: Sp Ewing - you look like my twin sister :-)
[8:19] Eugene Perenti: I din;t have much choice when i signed up
[8:19] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: My true name sounds like a nick and I don't mind at this point, still learning! And got the wrong body! :-)
[8:19] Bee Kerouac: what do you mean by wrong body?
[8:19] Eugene Perenti: we need more logs!
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: I asked for a male rabbit!
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: sit on the round pose balls
[8:20] Sp Ewing: Hey!
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: :)
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: right click the mouse on them
[8:20] angua Koenkamp: well i not moving till after next meeting
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: and sit
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: you can speak?
[8:20] Bee Kerouac: who?
[8:20] angua Koenkamp: takes too long to get here without getting stuck
[8:20] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: I heard a Hey!
[8:21] Busy Link: Do you sue audio here Nick?
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: ouch
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: we can use skkype
[8:21] Busy Link: I mean normal audio
[8:21] Bee Kerouac: Ewing
[8:21] angua Koenkamp: who is sitting in the fire?
[8:21] Bee Kerouac: oh there you are
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: there is no inbuilt audio
[8:21] Corwin Carillon: or do you mean listening to things?
[8:21] StarCloud Runo: hi there Sp Ewing
[8:21] Bee Kerouac: you managed to get yourself seated properly
[8:22] StarCloud Runo: welcome to my log.
[8:22] Sp Ewing: hi. i 'm out of the hot seat now.
[8:22] Busy Link: well I meant using the audio as Gavin does
[8:22] Bee Kerouac: would you mind introducing yourselves by your real names?
[8:22] Corwin Carillon: I don't have a server
[8:22] Sp Ewing: julia
[8:22] Bee Kerouac: and say where you are from?
[8:22] Busy Link: ah :-)
[8:22] Sp Ewing: SFU Vancouver
[8:22] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: Jan, from Cagliari, Sardinia
[8:22] Cristina Papp: Cristina from Barcelona
[8:23] Busy Link: we have been doing that Bee but we can start again :-)
[8:23] angua Koenkamp: Corinne, Birmingham, UK
[8:23] Corwin Carillon: Nick from Hong Kong
[8:23] Bee Kerouac: sorry
[8:23] StarCloud Runo: bev from south texas
[8:23] Busy Link: Moira i n France
[8:23] Bee Kerouac: Bee from Brazil
[8:23] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Emma from Portsmouth, UK.
[8:23] Stephen Haigh: Stephen Thorpe from Auckland, New Zealand
[8:23] Eugene Perenti: Andy Roberts from London, UK
[8:24] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Pretty much round the world then! Some I guess have got up early (or gone to bed late!), others are at having lunch!
[8:24] Bee Kerouac: Ahhh...eugene is Andy...I befriended you in Flickr without knowing you were the same person
[8:24] Corwin Carillon: yes ,,,
[8:24] Corwin Carillon: from GMT -8 to GMT +13!
[8:24] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it's 5 pm for me
[8:24] Eugene Perenti: I met you once before, Bee
[8:25] Stephen Haigh: 5am for me - early bird
[8:25] Sp Ewing: are you all in education
[8:25] Bee Kerouac: yes...I was changing clothes...most embarassing...lol
[8:25] Eugene Perenti: I've finished work, and I'm going to a party in an hour or so
[8:25] Cristina Papp: me too, its 5 pm for me
[8:25] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: non formal education for me
[8:25] Corwin Carillon: for me 12.30am
[8:26] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Yes, I'm in Education, but I'm also thinking about online communication & facilitation for volunteers working overseas (VSO), as it's something I used to do myself.
[8:26] StarCloud Runo: education--yes.
[8:26] Cristina Papp: i'm in education too
[8:26] Bee Kerouac: 13:26 here
[8:26] StarCloud Runo: small university.
[8:26] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Sorry, by "thinking" I mean, am involved with, & it's on my mind right now, as I've got a meeting this evening.
[8:26] Busy Link: 17.24 here and in education
[8:27] Sp Ewing: How have you used this in Educ?
[8:27] Eugene Perenti: I think SL is going to be best for social networking and creativity
[8:27] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: Emmadw, I work in the volunteers field too, European Voluntary Service, it's a EU program, ever heard?
[8:27] Cristina Papp: i haven't used it yet but i want to hear from educators who have used it
[8:27] Emmadw Rickenbacker: We haven't yet, we're just starting to think about it ... for under & post graduates. At the investigating stages.
[8:27] Busy Link: Obyone, tell us abou it please
[8:27] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: sure.
[8:28] angua Koenkamp: sl movement etc is quite hard compared to active world
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it's a European Commission
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: program fostering
[8:28] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Jan ... I've heard of it, but only briefly. I'll make you a friend & we can continue the conversation some other time.
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: the exchange of young
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: volunteers
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: among EU, and non EU too,
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: countries
[8:28] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: and I am a Italian
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: national trainer for it
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: !
[8:29] Bee Kerouac: when you say young, how young?
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: 18-30
[8:29] Bee Kerouac: lol
[8:29] Busy Link: sounds interesting - and what are they volunteers for?
[8:29] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: any field really. In 2005 there where 12000 different projects
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: and they range from environmental issues
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: to work with children
[8:30] Emmadw Rickenbacker: That's interesting, Jan. The VSO youth program is generally for the under 25s. (There are two youth programmes, but I think they're both under 25).
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: to cultural ones... and so on
[8:30] Bee Kerouac: sthg like rotary (for teens at secondary school) and friends of the world has been doing for years
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: well..
[8:30] angua Koenkamp: my friend tracey did teaching nin grenada and zambia
[8:30] Corwin Carillon: folks would you like to try Skyping ?
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it was for up to 26 till last year
[8:30] Cristina Papp: sure
[8:30] Sp Ewing: yes, let's skype
[8:30] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Quite happy to listen to you doing it, but my mike is at work. And I'm not.
[8:30] Busy Link: OK Nick
[8:30] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: skype cool for me
[8:31] Corwin Carillon: http://tinyurl.com/2vx2fm
[8:31] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: I'm janniccu there
[8:31] Corwin Carillon: hi nancy
[8:31] Eugene Perenti: I'm in a public library so Silence is the rule
[8:31] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: :)
[8:31] Choconancy Lupino: Hiya
[8:31] Bee Kerouac: hello Nancy
[8:31] Eugene Perenti: hello Nancy
[8:32] Corwin Carillon: ahh sorry eugene
[8:32] Choconancy Lupino: trying to sit. haha
[8:32] Bee Kerouac: tere is a seat near christina
[8:33] Busy Link: can't get ito the skype at the moment
[8:33] Bee Kerouac: right click on the pose ball
[8:33] Emmadw Rickenbacker: It's telling me that it's going to start a skype out call? Is that right?
[8:33] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: ops
[8:34] Choconancy Lupino: ok, phew. Awkward of me.
[8:34] Choconancy Lupino: is there a dial in? I'm unprepared. Can yo utell? (the time slot just opened)
[8:34] Busy Link: working now :-)
[8:35] Emmadw Rickenbacker: My Skype name is Emmadw & I'm logged in now, but can't use Skype out as I've not got any credit.
[8:35] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: no need for credit if it's a skype to skype
[8:35] Sp Ewing: i'm finnigan08
[8:35] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: how many are we?
[8:35] angua Koenkamp: u don't need skypeout
[8:36] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: too many, skype vocal conference is up to 10 people
[8:36] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Wonder why it told me that it was Skype out? I'll try again :)
[8:36] Corwin Carillon: http://tinyurl.com/2vx2fm
[8:36] Busy Link: no Obyone, this is a skypecast so many
[8:37] Corwin Carillon: some people are in skype
[8:37] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: fine, but I tried to join and it says it's not possible to find it!
[8:37] Emmadw Rickenbacker: It's still telling me that it wants me to Skype out. DOn't worry ... I'm fine in here (actually, I don't really like Skype - or audio in general, hence not being very familar with it, nor having a mike to hand!)
[8:37] Eugene Perenti: some people are in SecondLife
[8:38] angua Koenkamp: emma u came and went
[8:38] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I'll try again!
[8:38] Busy Link: we're coming back here to text :-)
[8:39] Choconancy Lupino: I'm in lag land. I'm going to close some apps to see if I can get things to go smoother
[8:39] Corwin Carillon: only have SL open ..
[8:39] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I haven't got a mike, so I can't talk to you!
[8:39] Stephen Haigh: me too - I'll need to reboot - brb
[8:39] Corwin Carillon: better that way ... it is a resource hog :(
[8:39] Eugene Perenti: I suppose sitting helps when there's a crowd but surely the whol epoint of a 3D world is to move about and explore
[8:40] Emmadw Rickenbacker: LOL!
[8:40] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I can hear fine, though.
[8:40] Corwin Carillon: we will stick to chat here
[8:40] Busy Link: Emma, np as we're leaving the skypecast as there were only four of us :-)
[8:40] Emmadw Rickenbacker: OK
[8:40] Corwin Carillon: one thing for those of you who just arrived
[8:40] Corwin Carillon: if you'd like a bit more atmosphere
[8:40] Bee Kerouac: very slow here lots of lag
[8:40] Beth Kavka accepted your inventory offer.
[8:40] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: sure
[8:41] Corwin Carillon: please take the sun to mignight .. World -> Force Sun -> midnight
[8:41] StarCloud Runo: now, that's more like it...a real campfire!
[8:42] Choconancy Lupino: funny!
[8:42] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: cool
[8:42] Choconancy Lupino: The birds are still noisy. Don't they go to sleep? ;-)
[8:42] Eugene Perenti: I just saw a shooting star!
[8:42] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: LoL
[8:42] Corwin Carillon: hehe no
[8:42] Busy Link: lol noisy seagulls
[8:42] Corwin Carillon: I give them speed
[8:42] StarCloud Runo: it's the same one hovering....somebody toss it some breadcrumbs!
[8:42] Corwin Carillon: lol
[8:42] Sp Ewing: how do i get marshmallows for all?
[8:43] Eugene Perenti: ew
[8:43] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: sorry guys, my first time in SL, can some expert give a 3 minutes survival kit of information?
[8:43] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Sp = Marshmallows sound great. Do we have sticks to toast them on?
[8:43] Busy Link: Wow, tried to extinguish the seagull and it didn't work ;-)
[8:43] Sp Ewing: i climb well
[8:44] angua Koenkamp: if u get stuck inside a tree try flying
[8:44] Choconancy Lupino: I moved back to sunset so I could see my flying colleagues!
[8:44] Corwin Carillon: onyone ... maybe we can do the survival after
[8:45] Sp Ewing: how do i pick up the guitar
[8:45] angua Koenkamp: is there a way back to tutorial island where westarted?
[8:45] Corwin Carillon: so does someone have a story they are willing to share about learning online faciltiation?
[8:45] Eugene Perenti: I tried the guitar, it doesn;t work
[8:45] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: fine, it will be some other time thanks, in half an hour I am going for a swim (a real one)
[8:45] Choconancy Lupino: Well, you are donig it right now. Living it.
[8:45] Corwin Carillon: angua, you can type help island in the map
[8:45] Choconancy Lupino: Not just talking about it.
[8:45] Eugene Perenti: I'd like to learn how to stream music in though
[8:46] Busy Link: Yes, let's live it by learning how to play the guitar :-)
[8:46] Eugene Perenti: Someone ot teh conference says we shoudl talk about trolls instead of arranging trips here
[8:46] StarCloud Runo: have any of your institutions purchased land for use in coursework?
[8:47] Cristina Papp: no, I wanted to try doing sth on my own before asking my institution
[8:47] Emmadw Rickenbacker: StarCloud, no: But, do you know if it's possible to "rent" space at particular times for classes while we're experimenting?
[8:47] Cristina Papp: there's the 'English Lounge'
[8:47] Eugene Perenti: I don;t know any one with land. Corwin, could you explain how Boracay island got here perhaps?
[8:48] StarCloud Runo: emma, no, not sure at all about pricing or education freebies, if any.
[8:48] Cristina Papp: and 'Edunation' island also rents spsaces
[8:48] Busy Link: The forst time I came to SL in October, I found the feature "Dance", I enjoyed that so much that Graham Stanley sent me more dance files. I danced away and had a great time and then forgot how to stop - that was a great example of online facilitating her in SL
[8:48] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Thanks, I'll investigate them.
[8:48] Busy Link: just doing and learning
[8:48] Bee Kerouac: I'm sorry ws booted out
[8:48] Eugene Perenti: Hello Bee, welcome back
[8:49] Corwin Carillon: welcome back bee
[8:49] Corwin Carillon: so did everyone learn online facilitation by the seat of their pants?
[8:49] Emmadw Rickenbacker: More or less, yes.
[8:49] Bee Kerouac: yes
[8:49] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: works for me
[8:49] Eugene Perenti: yup
[8:49] Busy Link: Yes and did the courses aferwards to see what others were doig and how
[8:49] angua Koenkamp: still not sure what online facilitation is
[8:50] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: good point
[8:50] Cristina Papp: sorry! i have to go, I have a meeting! see you soon!
[8:50] Stephen Haigh: by making mistakes! and having fun mostly, and relying on my f2f training
[8:50] Corwin Carillon: by Christina
[8:50] Emmadw Rickenbacker: I did attend one of the Online Facilitation Courses that uses Jilly Salmon's book & was run through the Institute of Education - but mostly it' was "suck it & see"
[8:50] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: ciao
[8:50] StarCloud Runo: corwin, how much time did it take to create Boracay and its environment?
[8:50] Stephen Haigh: bye christina
[8:51] Corwin Carillon: 3 months .. a bit at a time starcloud
[8:51] Bee Kerouac: see you
[8:51] Corwin Carillon: have others done any other courses?
[8:51] Eugene Perenti: I learned by arguing with people in usenet
[8:51] Choconancy Lupino: I learned first by watching, then doing (including a good bit of failing ) then sitting back and thinking about the intersection between online and F2F fac. Then I learned a WHOLE lot more by trying to teach others. There is where I really learned how much I did not k now.
[8:51] StarCloud Runo: wow. what are your future plans for this island?
[8:51] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: well, I'm taking a master degree on e-learning
[8:52] Eugene Perenti: Is it true that McDonalds have bought it?
[8:52] Eugene Perenti: cool . Is it a degree about e-learning or doing it?
[8:52] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Jan - where are you doing it? I'm guessing not Edinburgh, as they use SL, and you've said you're a newbie!
[8:53] Sp Ewing: how do I open this cooler?
[8:53] Corwin Carillon: we have a quite a wide range of experiences together ,.... seat of pants , usenet .... taking courses .... delivering courses !
[8:53] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: in Italy, entirely online....
[8:53] Emmadw Rickenbacker: we've also got an MSc in e-learning, and I'd like to bring SL into it more. Or it into SL more, depending on how you look at it!
[8:53] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: it's from the University of Viterbo...
[8:53] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: and it's about learning design and course management
[8:53] Eugene Perenti: Msc is unusual
[8:54] Sp Ewing: it says touch to receive contents
[8:54] angua Koenkamp: nick drank them all
[8:54] Corwin Carillon: from all your varied experiences of online facilitation .... what have been some of the key learning points or take aways for you?
[8:54] Busy Link: Portsmouth MSc looks interesting Emma
[8:56] Stephen Haigh: 1 key one for me was to make sure I get the timing right for conference sessions - once I ended up telling half the group one time and the other half another - confused everyone including myself
[8:56] Busy Link: My richest experience from any course was one person who was an excellent online facilitator - so the individual giving the course would be my answer and not necessarily the course
[8:56] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Busy - contact me later, if you want more infor (though I'll be gone shortly after this session, as I have to go out).
[8:56] Choconancy Lupino: It's the people!!!
[8:56] Bee Kerouac gave you ****Wine Glass Merlot.
[8:56] Busy Link: Emma - moirahunter@gmail.com
[8:56] Stephen Haigh: I find purpose and culture are just as important online
[8:56] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: the people involved also on the learning side!
[8:56] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Busy - yes, I fully agree. The same as an course - the teacher & the students are often what makes it. Not the subject.
[8:56] Busy Link: although I'm not thinking of doing the course ;-)
[8:57] Choconancy Lupino: For me there have been a couple of "waves" of learning. And they keep coming! LOL
[8:57] Corwin Carillon: a big one for me was language ....
[8:57] Corwin Carillon: and also perspective
[8:57] Busy Link: it does look like a good choice for learners who ask me which courses are around
[8:57] Corwin Carillon: being able to take different perspectives I mean
[8:58] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Steve, what do you mean by "purpose & culture as well as being online"
[8:59] ****Wine Glass Merlot whispers: Bottoms UP!
[8:59] Stephen Haigh: hi Emma, having a clear purpose (or objective) for what your group wants to achieve online and a culture to get there (Culture = ground rules)
[9:00] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: People, sorry to interrupt but I must go. It was quite interesting to come here as my first SL ever. I'll read you all in Scope. Can anyone copy the chat text at the end?
[9:00] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Ah, yes, that makes sense.
[9:00] Choconancy Lupino: drink a glass of wine for me. Client just called and I have to do something for them. Like NOW! ;-) Thanks for such a lovely hosting job, Corwin/Nick!
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: I'm logging the chat
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: thx nancy
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: bye
[9:01] Obyonethehobbit Benelli: great see you all then! Ciao!
[9:01] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Yes, I have to go to ... need to make a real life curry!
[9:01] Bee Kerouac: bye
[9:01] Sp Ewing: thanks all
[9:01] Busy Link: Bye Nancy
[9:01] Eugene Perenti: It seems to be the economy which has stirred up a lot of teh interest in SL
[9:01] Stephen Haigh: bye Emma, By Nancy
[9:01] Busy Link: Bye Obyone
[9:01] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Thanks, it's been interesting meeting you all, and thanks for the wine glass that someone gave me. Very useful when cooking ;)
[9:02] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Bye.
[9:02] Busy Link: Bye Emma
[9:02] Eugene Perenti: can anybody explain how value is created?
[9:02] Corwin Carillon: hehe
[9:02] Corwin Carillon: bye emma
[9:03] Bee Kerouac: value is created by the people who come here and consume whatever there is to consume
[9:03] Eugene Perenti: i understand some neighborhoods wil become more sought after than others
[9:03] Eugene Perenti: well there's nothing to consume except the experience i suppose
[9:04] Bee Kerouac: as you say
[9:04] Eugene Perenti: neighborhood is the concept I'm grappling with
[9:05] Eugene Perenti: can we find more like minded people in some places than others
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: I would not like to live in the city for instance
[9:05] Eugene Perenti: are there cities here?
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: sure enough
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: big urban area
[9:05] Busy Link: there are weird places too just like in reallife
[9:05] Eugene Perenti: I've seen lots of deserted streets
[9:05] Bee Kerouac: full of cars
[9:06] Eugene Perenti: what use are the cars to anybody?
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: people just drive them
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: stop by
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: ask you if you want a ride
[9:06] Stephen Haigh: good point - when we can fly!
[9:06] Busy Link: well, I suppose you could ask the same question - what use is makeup and nice clothees here? Couldn't you?
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: a matter of status I suppose
[9:06] Eugene Perenti: exactly, when we have flight and teleportation, why reproduce offworld transport
[9:06] Bee Kerouac: or just because it somehow fits the city
[9:07] Eugene Perenti: I do !
[9:07] Stephen Haigh: a form or way of representing ourselves
[9:07] Eugene Perenti: "is it all about dressing up and shopping"
[9:07] Busy Link: right Stephen - I notice that for some people here it is essential to have the right image wheras others don't pay attention to that
[9:08] Stephen Haigh: it's nice I think to interact with an avatar - a fun change to chatting or blogging, or email
[9:08] Corwin Carillon: folks I need to go ... 1am for me ... thanks very much for coming ... you;re all welcome to stay as long as you want
[9:08] Bee Kerouac: see you and thanks for inviting us
[9:08] Stephen Haigh: Thanks so much Nick
[9:08] Corwin Carillon: look forward to your posting in the forum in SCoPE
[9:08] Eugene Perenti: it just seems to lack imagination to me. There must be possibilities to create and do stuff that is not bound up with simulation of what we already know
[9:08] Busy Link: Well, me too, I have to go. Thank you very much Nick :-)
[9:09] Stephen Haigh: and for your leadership on SCoPE
[9:09] Bee Kerouac: the normal cycle is reproducing first what you know
[9:09] Eugene Perenti: But that will take time I suppose
[9:09] Corwin Carillon: thx folks g'nite
[9:09] Bee Kerouac: and then you move into experimenting I suppose