would love some feedback - too dull, too hard?

would love some feedback - too dull, too hard?

by emma bourassa -
Number of replies: 9

The context for this question/prompt is facilitating educators in re-imagining how learning occurs and can occur. 

The intent for the instructor is to provide a positive start to the discussion of change, which can be difficult for some. The other is to focus on constructive ideas, rather than hash through what is not working. A redirection of sorts. This serves as a needs assessment for me as I look at how to support the participants within the course as they take risks to redevelop an aspect of a course/workshop or create something new. 

The intent for the participants is to provide a space to try on new ideas, with no evaluation (that will work/won't work) of those ideas. There is not an expected 'end point' as this is more of a process focusing on the 'do' aspect rather than the 'do not' angle. I'm wondering if being in process is too hard? I realize that online learning is outcome based, but it seems from the discussions here and the discussion prompts, that there is room for shifts? Is there space for creative exploration? 

Individuals prefer various stages of creating curriculum or aspects of teaching. This process stage may be frustrating for some, so I am looking at starting with a choice of either sharing with others, sharing with me only, or holding it to themselves for a specific period of time to be able to mull. I welcome your ideas and impressions! 

The prompt: What do you want more of for the teaching and learning experiences? (this comes from an appreciative inquiry perspective)

Thanks for your ideas! 


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Re: would love some feedback - too dull, too hard?

by emma bourassa -

A revision

What constructive outcomes could happen if you changed your approach to any aspect of a course?

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Re: would love some feedback - too dull, too hard?

by Jeff Brandt -

I'm not so sure I have the experience to give much feedback to the prompt you have given within the context of your course. There is much I don't know about what you expect from students for re-imagining how learning occurs.

Between the prompt and your request for feedback, it is easier to reply to the request of another student. Maybe that is the difference at least for me in this case, the context is right for me to reply (community, dialogue, support).

Can you include some parameters to the prompt - defining the what of the prompt. Is it your student's experience or the students they will one day be instructing? Is it fostering professionalism or life long learning...

Without being in your class and experiencing your expectations as an instructor, I would find it hard to get into the discussion. I would ask for clarification. I would need more to start to write.

I agree with giving time and non-public replies for students that are less confident with their responses or opinions. Time is important to sort out ideas and to prevent miscommunication, usually discussions are too short on time.

Thank you for allowing me to give a comment.

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by emma bourassa -

Thanks for your thoughts Jeff. 

The 'students' are educators and this is part of a professional development course. 

The why of the prompt is to have educators reflect on how they approach teaching and learning. By asking educators to reflect on this, they are actually experiencing what educators ask of students, so the best outcome would be that they recognize what they expect from students, possibly identify something they would like to improve and then start to explore changes they could make. 

For example, from your message, I now am thinking that I am a very high context communicator. I need to lay things out more clearly. 

The what of the prompt is that I assume the educators who would engage in the question have had some success but may be looking for improvement, for example in increasing participation in discussions with their students. This is a opportunity to look beyond what they are doing now, and imagine another approach. 

For example, the first prompt I had was pretty broad, as you have rightly pointed out. So, in an effort to clarify, I rewrote it. Now it is much more direct but it is still lacking something.  So let me explain the ideal situation- what would happen: 

The participants take time on their own to brainstorm what they want to change (e.g. more students in discussion, more frequent posts, more effective posts that expand the knowledge of all, etc.) Perhaps they would benefit from examples to get them going? 

The participants then share openly, with me or take time to mull. 

The final outcomes is a capture and sharing of ideas, perhaps as Beth did with summarizing our ideas. 

The next step would then be to look at peers' wants and offer resources, ideas, encouragement. Perhaps even an opportunity to try it on within the professional development group to be able to practice and get real time feedback. 

Thanks for bearing with the long post. 

Any comments are very welcome. 

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by Gina Bennett -

hi Emma

Let me see if I understand your predicament: you want your students to reflect on their experiences re teaching & learning and propose some ways things could go better. Or just to sit with that query on their minds ("mull") for a little while, spend some time in that state of creative not-knowing. You want to open the discovery (& the discussion) up wide, BUT also generate -- publicly or privately -- some concrete ideas for change.

Hmm. That's a tall order. 

I'm a BIG fan of appreciative inquiry so I like what you're trying to do with that approach. But when I ponder your revised prompt; i.e.

>>What constructive outcomes could happen if you changed your approach to any aspect of a course?

... I confess the first thing that pops into my mind is "but WHY would I change my approach to how I'm currently teaching Course X? I'm already teaching it the best way I know how (otherwise I would have already changed, wouldn't I)??"

I agree with Jeff that I would need a fair bit more clarification before I responded to this prompt. For example, what do you mean by "approach"? Your suggestion to "provide a few examples" would probably go a long way to help people get started. What do you think about suggesting something maybe a bit radical to get them thinking? Maybe even a combo of the appreciative inquiry & TRIZ approaches? I don't know, ... something along the lines of:

Suppose you suddenly stopped during [some approach, be specific] & replaced that with [some other approach, be specific]. What's the best thing that could happen? What's the worst? 

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by emma bourassa -

Thanks Gina for walking through this and providing some clarification. You've got me thinking!

It is fascinating to me that the initial question of What do you want more of in the teaching and learning experience? would be a challenge. It's a question I ask myself when I am going into developing a course, whether it is curriculum, learning activities, interactions with students and assessment, etc. What do I want more of for the students' success? Then, how might that work, and I start considering options- even if they don't generate the exact outcome I expected. I guess I am exposing my own vulnerability as an instructor. I don't have an answer here, just mulling my own experience of drafting this prompt....

You want to open the discovery (& the discussion) up wide, BUT also generate -- publicly or privately -- some concrete ideas for change. Absolutely. These are instructors who are interested in professional development and are taking the course to improve learning. Ideally the teaching experience as well but that's another angle. Brainstorming many ideas and sharing can empower one's self and others. The focus here is on possibility. It would be messy and that's probably what the challenge is. I suspect many are more comfortable sharing final ideas, rather than expose 'in progress'.. 

In thinking about the examples that could be offered, here goes: 

What constructive outcomes could happen if you changed your approach to any aspect of a course?

In my Intercultural Communications Studies course I currently have students write a final paper that demonstrates conceptual understanding and personal shifts they see in themselves from the beginning of the course until now. I get the odd one that reveals a sense of deep learning about ones self and an empathy and curiosity about other ways of being and doing. It's okay, but how could I liberate them if the paper is constraining their ideas? I confess, when I asked a faculty to try a different approach to the research paper, I was elated, had fun and that paper was a success. 

What if I allowed students to choose the method to show me their learning? The criteria wouldn't change, but how they present it, could. They could always do the paper, but now their are other options. 

When I did this, I got erasure poetry, a short story and a video, all demonstrating solid understanding of concepts and personal reflection. It was the most powerful expression of learning that I saw and I wondered why I had not done this before. The prompts that I drafted for this course were an attempt to see what wording might invite that kind of exploration of practice. I probably should have added to the context that this would not be the first discussion and that time for relationship would have been provided. Does that make more sense?

Thank you for the revision: Suppose you suddenly stopped during [some approach, be specific] & replaced that with [some other approach, be specific]. What's the best thing that could happen? What's the worst? I like that it is about imagining- I think that is a more effective word. I like the best thing that could happen. That is the positive tone I was leaning to. I deliberately didn't go with the worst because I was thinking it added another part to the participant/student/teacher's workload, and there may be a tendency to dwell in the negative. However, I see how a balance of the question might be necessary. 

Hoping this is more clear. Thank you Jeff and Gina for pushing me through this! 

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by Leonne Beebe -

Emma,

When I read your first post, I was confused and sort of moved away without responding. Now, after just reading the examples in your last post, if I were in your PD course, and you asked me this, I would have a much better "concrete" idea to reflect on.  In fact, you have got me thinking about what if I were to use the topic, "How could I "rethink" my use of discussion forums in my online course to enhance the meta-cognitive learning process in my students?" It would be like taking this micro-FLO on discussion prompts as a part of the whole conversation on the role, purpose, and facilitation of discussion forums in the online course. Now, I'm excited, and I want to further explore because this is exactly where I am at right now in my learning process with teaching online courses..

The benefits of a snow afternoon...time to reflect.

Out of confusion comes clarity.

Leonne

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by emma bourassa -

Thanks Leonne, 

I struggle with telling all the details and seeing what can emerge from something more wide open. Probably my background in process drama and visual arts where parameters of skills are set but then just go for it and see what comes up. 

Clearly, I gotta reign it in! 

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by Beth Cougler Blom -

Actually it occurs to me that asking about the 'worst that could happen' might result in the person thinking something like well actually, not much bad stuff would happen. And that might be a good thing. Say they wanted to try an approach that was new to them and they thought that it would be risky to do so so they were unsure about trying it. Asking about "Well what's the worst that could happen if you tried it that way?" might make a person realize that there's less risk than they thought. So maybe they should just try it!

Good luck with it Emma and thanks to all of you for a "meaty" thread here!

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by emma bourassa -

Thanks Beth- wow you are up early!!