Stimulating chat session yesterday! Jo-Ann left us with the idea of "visioning what is universal" when it comes to instructional design. Interesting challenge!
I'm posting our text chat transcript here because for some reason I can't seem to make it available on the site without logging in. Looking into that, meanwhile...
Monday, 6 June 2011, 04:28 PM --> Monday, 6 June 2011, 05:33 PM
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16:28: Sylvia Currie has just entered this chat |
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16:29 Sylvia: Hi Bill! |
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16:30 Bill: Hi Sylvia! Nice discussion so far! |
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16:31 Sylvia: Yes! You started out with some juicy questions! |
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16:32 Bill: So are many of these SCoPE folks academics from BC? |
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16:32: Derek Chirnside has just entered this chat |
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16:32 Bill: Welcome, Derek! |
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16:32 Sylvia: I just got the word out on twitter that you had scheduled this chat, so hope to see some folks drop in |
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16:32 Sylvia: Derek! Hi there |
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16:32 Bill: Great! I thought a freeflow might be a good way to kick off week #1 of the discussionj! |
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16:33 Derek: Hi. Won't be here long have got a few things to do |
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16:33 Sylvia: Yes, good idea. We rarely use text chat but it can be a great way to kick things off |
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16:33 Bill: Derek--go ahead and shoot with your comments or questions while you're here1 |
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16:35 Bill: ....while waiting for others: Sylvia: so how do I get my Phd from BC? |
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16:35 Derek: Darn it, Lost the chat trying to see Bills Profile |
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16:36 Sylvia: Hmmm, do you want to move to BC or do it online? |
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16:36 Derek: I pesume there is no history? |
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16:36 Derek: (Move to do a PhD?) |
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16:36 Bill: Bill is an anomaly from the United States lost somewhere in the Deparment of Justice....ATF....online. for the PhD. Live in MD. Cannot do a divorce. |
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16:37 Sylvia: @Derek the chat will be saved but if you leave and come back you might not see what you missed (not sure about that) |
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16:38 Derek: Hey, I'm gone so, so I'll ask: what can be done to hep build Institutional ISD knowledge - without temlplaes |
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16:38 Bill: Derek: |
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16:39 Bill: ..or a Community of Practice might work for your purposes, Derek. |
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16:40 Derek: Hmm. Intresting question. Maybe |
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16:40 Derek: OK. First off . . . Education is way more complex than mere decision trees?? |
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16:41 Derek: I agree: too man books. |
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16:41 Sylvia: Has automation been attempted? |
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16:42 Bill: hold a sec and i'LL PULL THE URL. |
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16:44 Sylvia: I also remember a project several years ago -- although not entirely automated. It might have fit more into the template category |
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16:45 Derek: I guess from a simplistic pont of view there could be some domains where automation is possible. |
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16:45 Bill: lETITIA uDAMA AND gARY mORRISON (2007) "hOW DO INSTRUCTIONAL DESIGNERS USE AUTOMATED instructrional design tool"? sorry for the caps. |
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16:45 Derek: eg using a PABX telephone xchange |
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16:46 Bill: here ya go: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563204001906 |
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16:46 Sylvia: Right, so a skills training type of situation |
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16:47 Derek: In the case I had in mind, the real questions i the workshop were NOT to do with the skills . . . |
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16:47 Sylvia: Interesting -- "The novice designer is likely to gain more benefit from using the tool than a naı¨ve or expert designer. "... |
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16:47 Bill: yes. I have to say I'm biased: I work in the world of corporate/government training...so my bias is on skill building and training needs assessments. |
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16:47: Bill Thimmesch has left this chat |
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16:47 Derek: They were to do with how to handle bomb threats and how to deal with a boss who wanted you to lie. |
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16:48 Derek: . . . . not something automated ISD could cope with. ![]() |
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16:48 Sylvia: So in a sense the automated design tool is in itself an ISD training tool |
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16:49 Derek: Q: what about leadership training Bill? Automatable? Partly? |
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16:49 Sylvia: @Derek, looks like Bill got booted out of the chat |
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16:49 Derek: "I work in the world of corporate/government training" Point taken |
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16:49 Derek: Yes, I noticed. |
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16:50 Derek: Bothour time hae been reset, so something funy is going on |
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16:50: Bill Thimmesch has just entered this chat |
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16:50 Derek: Welcome back |
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16:50 Bill: I got kicked out..darn! |
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16:51 Sylvia: Also this quote from the paper is interesting: "Non-designers should probably be trained on instructional design tasks prior to exposure to automated instructional design tools." |
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16:51 Sylvia: Welcome back, Bill! |
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16:51 Derek: "I work in the world of corporate/government training" Point taken |
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16:52: Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers has just entered this chat |
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16:52 Derek: OK now I get it. Yes. Agreed. |
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16:52 Derek: I've seen some wonderful work on this. Medical. Sydney. |
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16:52 Sylvia: Welcome Jo Ann! |
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16:53 Derek: But oly sucessful since it is highly managed ; ISD people check in each week to deal with new decision trees. |
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16:53 Bill: ...so I was thinking: Hi Jo Ann! scroll up or down:0 |
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16:54 Derek: Bill, Sylvia. Ned to get back to other things now. |
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16:54 Derek: Thanks Bill - go well. |
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16:54 Jo Ann: Hi everyone |
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16:54 Bill: Hi Jo Ann...so what's your interest on this topic? |
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16:54 Sylvia: Thanks for dropping in, Derek |
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16:55 Bill: another link: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-8101134/you-ready-automated-design.html |
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16:55 Bill: take care, Derek! |
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16:55: Derek Chirnside has left this chat |
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16:56 Jo Ann: Hi Bill, I've been helping a dance/movement therapist in the US with instructional design and generally I'm a scope person. I like to learn and I like what I've seen so far. |
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16:59 Sylvia: I find it difficult to think about automating without some examples. Earlier when you mentioned the nurse in emergency room it helped me to get my head into it |
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17:01 Sylvia: Now Jo Ann mentions dance therapy and I'm trying to think how that can relate to automating ISD. Ideas? |
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17:01 Bill: Tell me more about dance therapy and I'll improvise from there. |
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17:03 Bill: ok...so what type of structured, guided practice would your learners need to go through in order to master the basics of what you want them to do...and could this be done online? |
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17:06 Sylvia: This is a fascinating case ![]() |
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17:08 Bill: Right. But a thinking tool would identify WHY interaction activiites are important....based on the goals for the training. |
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17:17 Bill: hmmmmm...again might depend on the objectives: if this is a fine motor skill, then they would need to perform it through a simulation (kind of like the Nintendo WII). |
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17:22 Bill: ....so they see the models and then perform against them? |
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17:23 Bill: ...not to over-conclude: but perhaps what this is showing is that an electronic performace suppport tool (for training) needs to be specific to the topic being taught? |
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17:24 Bill: there is no universl way to do a training needs assessment and suggested design? |
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17:24 Bill: "on board" does that mean you need to identify and agree on performance standards? |
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17:25 Bill: Sylvia? what do you think about all this so far? |
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17:26 Jo Ann: On board -- to me means buying into the learning benefit. We both welcome your comments Sylvia. |
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17:28 Sylvia: Still here ![]() |
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17:29 Bill: Is there a problem with the domains we're hitting? Training or Education? Those are two very separate areas for an ISD tool. |
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17:30 Jo Ann: I see them as overlapping -- but perhaps this is problematic to conceptualize here. I like the idea of visioning what is universal.. |
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17:31 Jo Ann: Bye Silvia and Bill Thanks |
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17:32 Sylvia: This has been really interesting! |
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17:32 Bill: c U Tomorrow! |
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17:32 Sylvia: See you back in the seminar. Bye for now |
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17:32 Jo Ann: Okay, enjoy you meal Bill. See you soon Sylvia. |
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