Chat log for OERU
Feb 18, 2011
SCOPE - COMMUNITY EVENTS
04:21 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Joyce, I just want to say I find your forum posts very meaningful and hopeful
04:41 - Wayne Mackintosh
06:01 - Sylvia Currie
And a very good question
06:15 - Wayne Mackintosh
08:05 - Sylvia Currie
I like that idea of having the discussion continue after the event
08:20 - Wayne Mackintosh
08:54 - Wayne Mackintosh
and During the event
08:57 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
there is a chat by streaming
08:57 - Sylvia Currie
It will be streamed
09:06 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
09:35 - Sylvia Currie
These are good questions. Perhaps we should start a thread in SCoPE for questions and ideas around the live event
12:41 - Ilene Frank
How about Twitter too? There was live ed. meeting the other day that was streamed with some people at the meeting tweeting, so those of us who were not there at least got an idea what was going on.
13:20 - Sylvia Currie
@good suggestion Ilene
13:32 - Wayne Mackintosh
Folk are free to tweet you post on identi.ca - -use #oeru
13:34 - Jim
Ilene we will definitely be listening to the #oeru tag on identi.ca
16:14 - Wayne Mackintosh
Cool -- its the OER way :-)
16:16 - Sylvia Currie
unpolished ideas are the best :-)
16:57 - Andreas Link
what's about with a #oeru tag in a bookmark service?
17:35 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
So it's a tracking system of sorts?
17:49 - Joyce McKnight
Credit bank sounds like a good idea. It would make the receiving institutions evaluations easier.
18:06 - Jim
Sounds good Andreas. We already aggregate blog posts with #oeru tag, and could probably add one or more bookmark services to that mix.
18:17 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
A tagging/category system where you bank credits under particular tags until you have enough
18:17 - Wayne Mackintosh
I like the idea.
18:34 - carol yeager
I wonder how many institutions would be willing to concede this process.
19:16 - carol yeager
Many of the institutions have mandates from their own govts
19:21 - Wayne Mackintosh
credit bank plus some kind of agree trans-national qualifications framework
19:21 - Erkan_Yilmaz__Germany
isn't OER normally also with a licence (even, if it is something like: all rights reserved)? and therefore you credit people anyway. So, what Paul talks is, as Maria says, a tracking system, so see where the paths went on from the begin?
20:06 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
20:30 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
I would like to comment
20:43 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
21:40 - Wayne Mackintosh
Timing may be better now?
22:17 - carol yeager
Perhaps if the evaluation process was left up to the accepting institution might be one way to circumvent the challenge
22:45 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Some university systems have such agreements (here in North Carolina some 20 campuses have them)
22:45 - carol yeager
Articulation agreements may work with many institutions, the rest, could develop their own assessment process
24:00 - carol yeager
I wonder how many institutions would be willing to reliqish the accrediing process?
24:11 - carol yeager
sorry for typo
24:59 - carol yeager
25:00 - Wayne Mackintosh
The model may not require institutions give up the accrediting process ..
25:00 - Paul Stacey
25:46 - carol yeager
@Wayne ... that could be a solution for some of the challenges
25:55 - Sylvia Currie
Open U has a history of accepting flexible transfer credit policies, i.e not having limits on number of credits in higher level, etc. Paul's idea is like an extension of that.
26:34 - Wayne Mackintosh
@Sylvia - -yip enriching and improving the model using OER approaches
27:02 - carol yeager
Ho wwould the association with OER u effect delivery variations of the courses?
27:03 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
27:29 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Quality, level, depth
28:25 - Sylvia Currie
I'm thinking a bank idea doesn't have impact on historical practices at universities. Just introducing something new, in addition to those practices. But then I haven't taken much time to think about it!
28:53 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
I even have hard time explaining the different between "a course" and "a piece of courseware" to people
28:58 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
29:03 - Joyce McKnight
Lack of interactive teaching pedagogy is a real issue today.
29:11 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
It is, Joyce
29:46 - Joyce McKnight
In fact I would argue that pedagogy/teaching is what universities "sell"
30:06 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
I think it has to be specific by subject. I am familiar with mathematics in particular, and the issues such as problem-solving, proofs, modeling (complexity) are not present in different subjects, at least not in this form
30:27 - Erkan_Yilmaz__Germany
Paul, you probably could envision some challenges to this banking system, what are the most challenging ones, in your eyes?
30:29 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
so generic pedagogical ideas won't be enough to get math ed people on board, necessarily
34:07 - Ilene Frank
The open PhD trend is really interesting - but who's going to give those open learners a degree? That's a problem!
34:10 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Defining the basic "unit of action" is very important, Joyce
34:12 - Joyce McKnight
There is a whole international movement for self-directed learning that I am part of and would like to hook with what Sylvia and Maria have been talking about.
34:40 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Joyce, does this movement have online places you can link?
34:44 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
35:10 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
DIY U - who read that here?
35:17 - Ilene Frank
I've read it.
35:18 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Wayne probably did
36:16 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
36:26 - Wayne Mackintosh
I've read it -- cleary a changing landscape.
36:39 - Ilene Frank
I've participated in some MOOCs, but no credit for the "course" even I would have done everything required
since I hadn't paid tuition. Nice self-learning for me but that's it.
36:57 - Sylvia Currie
yes, traditionally credits = amount of contact hours
37:23 - Erkan_Yilmaz__Germany
Ilene Frank: about OpenPhD, you can ask more Leigh Blackall - not sure how much that had to do with getting his job at Canberra, though he is thinking of leaving again, I think
39:25 - Ilene Frank
Thanks, Erkan. There's a blog - Lisa C. had started on the open PhD path - but I notice she hasn't posted for a while http://openphd.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/the-open-phd-what-a-concept/
40:05 - Erkan_Yilmaz__Germany
ok, will look later
40:53 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
41:18 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
It's a good metaphor, if we don't restrict to country currencies in their current form, because that system is "slightly" broken
41:56 - carol yeager
My experience with the MOOC (I have workd in 3 of them) had a pedagogical of connectivism. Universal acceptanc eof the pedagogy might be challenging, and yet, it is worth investigating.
41:57 - Sylvia Currie
Peter Rawsthorne, who has joined the SCoPE discussion, also embarking on open phd http://criticaltechnology.blogspot.com/
42:13 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Which have you worked with, Carol?
42:14 - Paul Stacey
42:17 - Sylvia Currie
nice and clear
42:38 - carol yeager
pedagogical impetus .. sorry for the typo errors
42:52 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
http://shareable.net/ has a lot of interesting work on "new currencies" - gift economies, reputation currencies, and so on
43:04 - carol yeager
PLENK 2010, ds106 and CCK10 and CCK11
43:20 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
So OER university credits as a currency is really interesting to me
43:30 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Carol, I am following CCK11 (lurking) too
43:32 - Paul Stacey
good comments, what are the incentives for participation in the OER university
43:41 - Joyce McKnight
43:49 - carol yeager
@Maria ... are you in the FB discussions?
44:00 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
No, I am just getting the daily email
44:05 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
very slight participation
44:11 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
is FB discussion good?
44:19 - Ilene Frank
See also Cris Crismann's ECI Teaching Literature for Young Adults
http://bookhenge2011.wikispaces.com/ as well as the other courses mentioned.
44:45 - carol yeager
You might want to check into the FB discussions ... very active, interactive and informative
45:13 - Joyce McKnight
Coarl: Where are they on FB
45:35 - carol yeager
@Ilene ... yes, Cris is doing some fabulous work in SL
45:48 - Ilene Frank
Wendy Drexler is offering Personal Learning Environments for Inquiry in K12. through Florida State Univ http://bit.ly/hd8Lgn
46:19 - carol yeager
@Ilene ... thx will check into Wendy's initiative
46:41 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
lucrative book deals!
46:50 - Ilene Frank
Yes, Cris is really good with Second Life - I went to one of her course's first session in there - very cool! But no credit for those of us who are "open learners" ;)
47:24 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Thanks Carol, I will look on FB
47:46 - carol yeager
Just ask to join ... anyone can put you in.
48:01 - Sylvia Currie
sustainability topic... hard to talk about that in the same breath as wild ideas :-)
48:20 - carol yeager
49:14 - carol yeager
@Sylvia ... some of the wild ideas are quite sustainable, once foks are willing to change their perspectives on the pedagogy
51:13 - Joyce McKnight
Mutual teaching/learning mentoring a great idea.
51:16 - Sylvia Currie
@carol, true. Process usually means letting go of old ideas. It's hard
51:21 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Open marketplace where peers (everybody) trade in units of learning and teaching
51:24 - Ilene Frank
Paul, you are talking about the idea that Stephen Downes and George Siemens are suggesting with their MOOCs. Carol and others, wouldn't you say that's the case?
51:41 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
peer-to-peer and MOOCs, both
51:44 - carol yeager
@Paul ... learning facilitation is a great prospect, and helps with the $$ aspect
52:16 - carol yeager
Ilene ... yes
52:25 - Joyce McKnight
There are a lot of alternative economic mutual aid model....like Maria is suggesting.
52:37 - Sylvia Currie
I'm loving this idea
52:58 - carol yeager
I am not sure what the question is?
52:59 - Joyce McKnight
53:06 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
"The mesh" is a good book about these models
53:36 - Wayne Mackintosh
Strong links with Prof Jim Taylors notion of "Academic Volunteers international"
53:46 - Joyce McKnight
OER-U would/could be the "broker"
53:57 - carol yeager
Networks of learning are also part of the MOOC pedagogy
53:58 - Sylvia Currie
The Mesh: http://www.amazon.com/Mesh-Why-Future-Business-Sharing/dp/1591843715/permissionmarket
55:32 - Sylvia Currie
TED talk with Lisa Gansky http://blog.ted.com/2011/02/17/the-future-of-business-is-the-mesh-lisa-gansky-on-ted-com/
55:37 - carol yeager
@ Maria ... excelent points
55:54 - carol yeager
@Sylvia ... TED rocks!
55:59 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
This model can create a lot of wealth in interaction/teaching/learning
56:11 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
56:16 - carol yeager
and TED ios a wonderful medium for learning
56:24 - Wayne Mackintosh
Yeah -- gifting place :-)
56:29 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
57:55 - Sylvia Currie
Just googled Jim Taylor Academic Volunteers international and the OER university SCoPE seminar came up :-)
58:25 - carol yeager
@Paul ... definitely aspects to research
58:48 - Sylvia Currie
A "shift" -- that's for sure
59:07 - Wayne Mackintosh
@SCoPE is leading the way -- Google rankings 8-)
59:26 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
I wanted TED to credit me...
59:42 - Sylvia Currie
In many ways my MA supervisor was my credentialing agent
59:57 - carol yeager
@Maria .. TED is currently asking for applications to present :)
1:00:12 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Mozilla is actually working on becoming a crediting agency
1:00:13 - carol yeager
Perhaps OER u might be a good presentation?
1:00:47 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
1:01:06 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
My story is strong but my fable isn't strong enough yet, if it makes sense
1:01:08 - Joyce McKnight
There is a mjor difference between teaching/learning and crednetialing.
1:01:18 - carol yeager
@ Maria :)
1:01:23 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Maybe 10 min wrap-up?
1:01:25 - Joyce McKnight
A bit more.
1:01:28 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
to tie the threads
1:01:44 - carol yeager
I am afraid I must leave. will this be recorded for later viewing/listening?
1:01:51 - Erkan_Yilmaz__Germany
I'm fine with continuing 10-15 mins
1:01:53 - Sylvia Currie
Yes, we'll post the recording
1:01:59 - carol yeager
1:02:07 - Wayne Mackintosh
Can do 10 mins extra :-)
1:02:27 - Sylvia Currie
I can stay longer too
1:02:41 - Paul Stacey
OK we'll go a bit longer but then wrap up
1:05:25 - Paul Stacey
pulse is beating fast:)
1:05:50 - Joyce McKnight
Paul: ESC does give marks for PLA in the form of expert evaluators who are responsible (and paid a bit) for making the recommendations. I know our model isn't perfect...but it still speartes the two.
1:07:03 - Joyce McKnight
1:09:14 - Sylvia Currie
I like the enthusiasm
1:09:21 - Ilene Frank
1:09:41 - Joyce McKnight
Thanks Wayne and everyone. It is great fun
1:10:17 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
There is Independent Moscow University (math only) that's been open and free since 1991
1:10:22 - Wayne Mackintosh
Agreed - -must rewarding stuff to be working on :-)
1:10:33 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Only math people know of it, I think :-)
1:10:37 - Wayne Mackintosh
Good idea Paul -- I like it!
1:11:18 - Wayne Mackintosh
collaboration among institutions is mission critical for success
1:11:53 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
aggregation and collaboration amplifies individual voices beyond the simple sum of the members
1:12:41 - Sylvia Currie
@Maria so true. And often discover parallels in thinking and progress
1:13:00 - Sylvia Currie
This was an excellent think tank!
1:13:04 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
right Sylvia, collaborations
1:13:20 - Wayne Mackintosh
Greate think tank - -has got me thinking :-D
1:13:31 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
or just alignment of values - that's very useful for the morale!
1:14:45 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)
Thank you everybody for participating
1:14:56 - Joyce McKnight
I want to thank you for all the reminders of it. It helps a lot.
1:15:19 - Sylvia Currie
See you back in the SCoPE discussion!
1:15:20 - Wayne Mackintosh
1:15:20 - Erkan_Yilmaz__Germany
thanks too, will read more at the wikieducator
1:15:27 - Maria Droujkova (MathFuture)