Chat log for LAK11 Guest Presenter: Simon Buckingham Shum

Feb 17, 2011

 


01:20 - Andreas Link 

@Sylvia Currie: next is waiting smile OER university ... 


01:43 - George Siemens 

it's great! 


02:17 - Sylvia Currie 

@Andrea, true! Always something on the go smile 


03:18 - George Siemens 

btw - this is Simon's recent text (wonderfully named Knowledge Cartography): http://books.kmi.open.ac.uk/knowledge-cartography/ 


07:40 - George Siemens 

ethics have been a constant theme in the course 


07:52 - George Siemens 

interesting in light of Watson's performance yesterday 


08:18 - George Siemens 

what if computers know more than we do? (i.e. a compudoctor instead of a real doctor) 


11:38 - Adam Weisblatt 

OU? 


11:45 - Sylvia Currie 

open university 


11:48 - Adam Weisblatt 

Thanks 


11:53 - Sylvia Currie 

in the UK 


12:55 - George Siemens 

good point 


13:10 - George Siemens 

analytics need to be presented in a way that academics can decide 


13:20 - George Siemens 

tables of stats likely aren't the answer 


13:40 - George Siemens 

we haven't talked visualization much in this course, but it's obviously tightly tied to analytics 


14:10 - Gillian 

@George Somewhere that I teach provides tables and tables of stats (yawn!) 


14:21 - Wolfgang 

How accurately can you determine the causes of failure? 


14:46 - George Siemens 

@Wolfgang - at a high level, I think you can get quite accurate 


15:07 - Sylvia Currie 

Visualizations help people to see patterns. Rows of numbers don't quite have the same appeal 


15:11 - George Siemens 

the key of course is to ensure that we augment our assumptions of individuals with personal/contextual data 


15:49 - Adam Weisblatt 

Visualization resources: http://vizthink.com/ 


16:40 - Schawn 

Great resource @adam, thanks 


16:42 - Nicola Avery 

does anyone think its possible to predict plagiarism based on analysis of e.g what is being bookmarked online 


17:30 - Adam Weisblatt 

Capacity for Change, Capacity for NEw Learning 


18:23 - Adam Weisblatt 

The ability to contributer to a Twitterchat is a good sign of agility 


19:18 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

There are different levels of participation in a Twitterchat, though 


19:33 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

Some people flood everyone else's Twitterstream 


19:52 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

Other people might make one contribution, but not realise this is an ongoing conversation 


20:07 - Christy 

Recommendation engines.  These are addictive. 


21:25 - Sylvia Currie 

http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/ 


22:07 - Wolfgang 

Are the FM stats readily available for participants in meetings? I only know the timeline visualisation. 


22:18 - Gillian 

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22:18 - George Siemens 

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22:21 - Bodong 

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22:23 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

Yes, I hadn't seen these states before either 


22:24 - Schawn 

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22:26 - Wolfgang 

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22:26 - Nicola Avery 

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22:27 - Nancy late 

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22:28 - Francisco Reis 

2 


22:30 - Sylvia Currie 

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22:31 - Adam Weisblatt 

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22:32 - Niklas Karlsson 

2 


22:33 - Christy 

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22:35 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

2 


22:48 - Nancy late 

you did not say oral at first 


22:56 - Adam Weisblatt 

Oh 


23:01 - Niklas Karlsson 

ok 


23:06 - Schawn 

that is why i picked 1 


23:13 - George Siemens 

smile 


23:18 - Wolfgang 

aural as in listening or oral as in talking? 


23:29 - Anna De Liddo 

FM analytics are available just for admin users, not participants to the meeting. 


23:40 - Wolfgang 

Thanks Anna 


24:06 - Christy 

I have to hear things to learn 


24:13 - Sylvia Currie 

Assuming... if the mentor is talking less that others are doing the talking (and not just chatting) 


26:14 - Wolfgang 

Sentiment analysis too 


26:36 - Sylvia Currie 

Simon's slides: http://www.slideshare.net/sbs/learning-analytics-notes-on-the-future 


26:44 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

What would you be looking for with sentiment analysis in this context? 


27:34 - Wolfgang 

Things like engagement via argumentation 


27:36 - Adam Weisblatt 

Redefining? 


28:09 - Wolfgang 

@Rebecca: strong sentiment, e.g. disagreement 


28:41 - Adam Weisblatt 

Is there a middle ground between the second and third? 


28:53 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

Would we be able to distinguish between strong sentiment such as disagreement, and strong sentiment such as flaming? 


29:27 - Wolfgang 

I believe so, but most difficult is detecting irony 


29:36 - Gillian 

@Simon Is there much resistance from students to using these platforms rather than the ones they prefer (e.g. FB)? 


29:41 - Adam Weisblatt 

semantic triplets 


30:10 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

@Adam Semantic triplets? 


30:22 - Wolfgang 

Good question Gillian. 


30:27 - Sylvia Currie 

nice visualization of dialogue 


30:56 - Adam Weisblatt 

subject/object/predicate used to store relationsips between ideas 


30:59 - Adam Weisblatt 

i think 


31:04 - Deyanira 1 

Hola Dolors! 


31:32 - Adam Weisblatt 

This is nice. Can we get a url? 


31:55 - Gillian 

@Adam: does that assume people speak/write in proper sentences?  Dificult in mixed groups - and with bad typists ;) 


31:55 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

http://cohere.open.ac.uk/ 


33:10 - Francisco Reis 

Fantastic! 


33:11 - Adam Weisblatt 

I meant that this tool is a great way to devlop these relationships that we discussed in the Semantic Web conversations 


33:27 - dolors 

Hi Deyanira / Hi all 


34:20 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

smile 


35:54 - Adam Weisblatt 

Very promissing 


36:25 - Anna De Liddo 

@ Adam: I wold agree Adam, even though I didn't attend your discussions, cohere aims to develop meaningful semantic networks of ideas 


38:11 - Wolfgang 

@Rebecca We also do this with our PolyCafe tool (polyphonic dialogue analysis). Would like to discuss this further with you outside the session. 


39:15 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

@I'd be interested to talk about it. You can email me at r.m.ferguson@open.ac.uk 


40:48 - Christy 

Would love to see the higher level pattern source document for the last slide 


40:51 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

@Wolfgang. Is that http://www.polycafe.com/ ? 


40:54 - Wolfgang 

@rebecca: cheers 


41:00 - Adam Weisblatt 

We would also have to convince employers of the value of these distinctions 


41:41 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

Deakin Crick R (2007) Learning how to learn: the dynamic assessment of learning power. The Curriculum Journal 18 (2):135-153 


42:11 - Wolfgang 

@rebecca: http://slidesha.re/eITkTT 


42:11 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

Deakin Crick R, Broadfoot P, Claxton G (2004) Developing an effective lifelong learning inventory: the ELLI project. Assessment in Education: Principles, Policy & Practice 11 (3):247-272 


43:02 - Wolfgang 

Our website with screencasts is down at present, but should be back soon: www.ltfll-project.org (OUUK is a partner: Peter Scott) 


44:26 - Adam Weisblatt 

What was the ELLI url? 


45:49 - Rebecca Ferguson 1 

@Adam, one of them is http://www.ellionline.co.uk/index.htm 


47:25 - Wolfgang 

Cool stuff! 


47:41 - Adam Weisblatt 

Thanks 


48:19 - George Siemens 

any questions for Simon? 


48:25 - Gillian 

Really intersting issues in there for people in workplaces - who can see what, when.  Game playing for appraisals etc 


48:32 - Wolfgang 

Are you not looking into pedagogic planning? 


49:25 - Adam Weisblatt 

How does this analysis get funded? 


49:26 - Francisco Reis 

What overhead work is asked from users/students to gather that extra connection information/semantics? 


49:47 - Gillian 

@Adam - very key point!!! 


50:28 - Adam Weisblatt 

I was late on the Ethics discussion, what about if the anaylsis collected from learning professionals is used to reduce the learning staff? 


50:59 - Wolfgang 

Are these tools integrated within the OU learning environment or separate platforms and tools? 


51:23 - Adam Weisblatt 

Great resources and ideas 


53:07 - George Siemens 

sorry, convoluted question 


53:17 - Adam Weisblatt 

Humans can prosses the lack of data 


54:14 - Adam Weisblatt 

and creative 


57:16 - Gillian 

@Simon What EU legal implications are there for future integration? 


57:37 - Nancy late 

vle...virtual learning environment? what does this include? 


57:43 - Francisco Reis 

My early R&D is at http://www.umniverse.com/user-interface which already implements some of what was talked about. 


57:57 - Wolfgang 

Great presentation, thanks 


58:08 - Nicola Avery 

great presentation 


58:14 - Anna De Liddo 

Thanks Simon, great as always 


58:14 - Francisco Reis 

Thanks! 


58:19 - Adam Weisblatt 

Will there be a Friday wrap up? 


58:23 - Niklas Karlsson 

Thanks! 


58:32 - Gillian 

Thank you, everyone. 


58:37 - Deyanira 1 

Great. thanks 


58:45 - dolors 

Thanks!