Text chat from the November 2, 2009 Art of Teaching session

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DeirdreB: Hi all from Saskatchewan

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: Hi Nancy

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Jennifer Hibbert COTR: Hi again Gina :)

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): Wonderful to see an international gathering here today!

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): :-)

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): it's loading

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Moderator (Andrew Marchand): http://www.youtube.com/user/007neilsmith

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Christina Merl: Hi Barbara (Brazil)!

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): @Christina Good to see you here

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Moderator (Andrew Marchand): If you have problems with sound, open the link in Internet Explorer. Some versions of Firefox and flash don't get along.

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DeirdreB: Impressed even on dialup, I can access video

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Warren: Yep - no sound here: I'll have to find an archived version on Explorer somewhere.

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Moderator (Andrew Marchand): Warren: copy the link to IE

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Moderator (Andrew Marchand): Safari should also work if on Mac (should...)

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: To Warren who just joined , we were just watching this video

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: http://www.viu.ca/teaching/files/video/artTeachingBig/index.html

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): I just had a list of credits..is this what I should be looking at?

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: http://www.viu.ca/teaching/files/video/artTeachingBig/index.html

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): THanks!

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): @Barbara, you need to click the "pre-assessment" link to see that section of the video

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DeirdreB: I don't have a question, I hit wrong button

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): ;-)

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): lol

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): go ahead... i would think

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): you can watch it again later....

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DeirdreB: assessment is linked to objectives

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DeirdreB: don't have a mic

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DeirdreB: Really like giving students rubric ahead of time when they do papers

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): @ Deirdre... I agree

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): Tips on preparing a good rubric?

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NWCC House of Learning Kerrie Orr: I agree as well - we can't just keep our rubric in our head - we need to share it with our students

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LaDonna: yes, tips on developing a solid rubric?

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): Ask for student input of where explanation is not clear

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DeirdreB: Yes transperency, I never knew what teacher wanted

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): Right! I teacher never knew what I wanted ;-)

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LaDonna: :-)

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DeirdreB: Lol Sylvia

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NWCC House of Learning Kerrie Orr: You can have students engage in peer feedback and they will have a chance to employ the rubric for themselves

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): when creating the assignment... ask yourself HOW you will know the students know

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Moderator (nancy Randall): Sylvia asked about tips for preparing rubrics. I find that one needs to really examine the elements of the learning and then provide careful and very descriptive pictures of the learning. It's a complex process but well worth the time--also preparing rubrics with the learners is a learning experience in itself.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): can you even measure the learning??

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DeirdreB: Give rubric to colleague and see if they give similar marks

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DeirdreB: Yeah student needs to understand

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): being able to define "good" "very good" and "excellent" in measurable ways

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DeirdreB: I have lots of rubric resources, will share in SCOPE

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): I teach at high school and am trying to incorporate new technologies so use a number of benchmarks and rubrics for the "technical" part

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): Great, thx Deirdre (and I knew you would have lots of resources!)

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Moderator (nancy Randall): Great appreciation, Deirdre. It is always helpful to see how others provide these descriptions of the learning.

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): trouble is that with 3 hours a week this can take a long time

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Warren: Provide student with rubric — they do self-assessment and submit rubric with assignment. Teacher then marks and returns rubric with discrepancies identified: these points become the focus for discussion.

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GinaB-COTR: I think good assessment DOES take a fair bit of time...

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Judy S: Attended a workshop the other day when the instructor tells the assessments are their "celebrations of learning". Nice positve spin on what can sometime seem like punitive activity.

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Penny Heaslip: I too have used peer feed back in my courses.

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: It is amazing how a student can mark more strictly using a rubric than a teacher can.

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Christina Merl: @Barbara -- which new technologies? Could you give examples?

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): http://lycee.wikispaces.com/RT_howto

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Christina Merl: @Barbara: thx!

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: The use of clearly designed rubrics, ultimately can lead to a more and more of our students achieving higher grades. They often know exactly what to expect on their work, often this produces less stress once the work is done.

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Christina Merl: Am not familiar with "rubrics".. are there samples somewhere?

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Warren: Christine: Search for "Performace Standards" in the K-12 Ministry website

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Moderator (nancy Randall): Hello Christina-- Rubrics are written descriptions of the learning, We'll post some examples at the end of this webinar.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): Rubrics which require the marker to provide the rationale helps with balancing the highs and lows

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Christina Merl: V cool - thanks a lot!

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DeirdreB: Celebration of Learning -love that

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): yes.. ALL markers

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): :)

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DeirdreB: Desciptors are realy important

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Warren: It seems important to get rid of "participation" marks — unless the course has something to do with social development.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): having the student do the same is interesting too

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NWCC House of Learning Kerrie Orr: You can also encourage preparation by including completion of outline and incorporation of instructor feedback on the outline as part of the rubric

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DeirdreB: Again participation should be based on objectives

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GinaB-COTR: If you know (or strongly suspect) that participation positively affects other learning outcomes, I think it's fair to use marks to promote participation

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): An interesting comment given our focus on engagement in online environments - thanks Warren.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): And again, define "participation"

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LaDonna: seems to me participation matters, 1) engaging other students 2) engaging instructor e) content

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): typing furiously, then you see them actually typing furiously in msn or facebook, rather than the lecture notes

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Warren: : )

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GinaB-COTR: too often, though, i think we just assume that more student participation, group work etc. is useful (not always true)

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): If participation means contribution to advancing dialogue, to group projects, etc then makes sense

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): are there any rubrics you have for participation?

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DeirdreB: difference between what they do to learn and how they demonstrate what they learned

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): @Barbara I think I have a rubric for participation. Will try to find it

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Warren: Maybe we should re-define it as "engagement" rather than participation.

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Moderator (nancy Randall): Yes, we have a participation rubric and we'll link the document at the end of the webinar.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): How many folks out there have policy of maximum marks from group work? I am curious, because the course I have inherited has traditionally had too much group work (in my opinion)

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Christina Merl: @Nancy Randall: thanks for sharing the participation rubric

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): Thanks Sylvia

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): and Nancy

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DeirdreB: Wendy Ask is the group work key to learning the objectives

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): I don't believe so, Deirdre.. one assignment is, but not the other one

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): good point, though

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DeirdreB: In medicine, learning to function as a team member is a key objective

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LaDonna: ? peer participation assessment? interesting thought

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): I like Glen's descriptions" "wiggle room" "fudge factor"

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GinaB-COTR: very honest!

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): yes, but I find in teacher ed, there is SO much emphasis on group work ... I like the idea of seeing if the student can function solo too

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Moderator (nancy Randall): Wendy, good question, as it relates to our weighting of the assessments-- how much value should each of the asssignments have? We need to rate each of the assignments relative to the importance of the outcomes--another complex process!

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Christina Merl: peer participation assessment -- crucial

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GinaB-COTR: @Wendy: good point

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): Click on the link "Summary" on the video

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): phenonomonology ... good point

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DeirdreB: I like clickers in large classrooms because students get key concepts and I get an idea of understanding

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Moderator (nancy Randall): Yes, clickers are very effective for quickly checking levels of understanding.

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Warren: "anticipatory set" Haven't heard from Madelaine Hunter in years! Thanks. Some things are always true.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): A colleague is doing research on clickers in the classrooms now, re: student engagement

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DeirdreB: Med students love anonymous clickers

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LaDonna: nice we have the offline equivalent of "clickers" here in Elluminate (polling) :-)

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): Exactly, Deidre and LaDonna :)

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): and in Elluminate polling can be visible or not seen by participants

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): it's a great feature

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Jennifer Hibbert COTR: someone please explain what a 'clicker' is

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DeirdreB: We are doing a session next week with clickers and elluminate

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LaDonna: This reminds me of a good movie - a strong, thought-provoking opening, dance around in the middle with twists/turns and a strong closing

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GinaB-COTR: Jennifer, next time you are at COTR I will show you our clickers

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NWCC House of Learning Kerrie Orr: important to refer back to the outcomes provided at the start of the class - we often miss the opportunity to close the circle with students

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Jennifer Hibbert COTR: thanks Gina

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): http://www.iclicker.com/dnn/Abouticlicker/WhatisaClicker/tabid/143/Default.aspx

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): Deirdre, open session?

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Jennifer Hibbert COTR: thanks

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DeirdreB: yes, will share on Scope

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: life long learning implies that the closure of a class does not imply the end of the process of learning, but rather the synthesis of what has been learned so that the learner is inspired to seek out more.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): Well said, Glen

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DeirdreB: Positive discomfort is good - churning = learning

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DeirdreB: Lke that Glen

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LaDonna: maybe it is about tying up some things and unleashing curiosity about something else? a both/and?

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LaDonna: Love it Dierdre - churning=learning :-)

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GinaB-COTR: @LaDonna, I agree: i think both approaches are important.

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GinaB-COTR: Too much dissonance is exhausting :/

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Judy S: Anyone got ideas on how to have effective summary or hook for extended learning in online environment when participation is largely asynchronous?

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DeirdreB: true Gina

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LaDonna: yes Gina!

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Vena - NWCC: I would think the choice of summary would depend on the subject/lesson

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GinaB-COTR: teaching really IS an art, isn't it??!

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Jennifer Hibbert COTR: It sure is an art Gina

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LaDonna: Learning is an art too :-)

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Penny Heaslip: Thanks for a great session.

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DeirdreB: Thanks enjoyed session

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): http://scope.bccampus.ca/mod/forum/view.php?id=2301

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): it was applause

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LaDonna: This is such a remarkable experience, I feel so appreciative for the opportunity

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): no..just clapping :-)

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Glen Bowden NWCC & NCDES: TY so much, I have had a wonderful time everyone.

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Christina Merl: Thank you all so much for your wonderful comments and information sharing!

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): you will be sent to the community when you close the Elluminate window

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LaDonna: Sylvia - a big hug to you

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): yeah!

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Penny Heaslip: What is most interesting are the side bar conversations as well. The formal class and informal learning needs.

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): Great news!!

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LaDonna: yes Penny - I learn so much from so many

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Judy S: Thanks very much...very useful content

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Wendy Kraglund-Gauthier (StFX/UniSA): Definately, Neil!

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Christina Merl: Please keep us posted via Facebook? That possible?

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DeirdreB: Keep posted via Twitter

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): we have one quick announcement as well

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Barbara Dieu (Brazil): Thank you, Neil and Nancy and Sylvia for making this happen

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Christina Merl: Thx, Sylvia! :)

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Moderator (nancy Randall): We appreciate all of your questions and contributions--we all have advanced in our understanding!

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): for Alberta folks that I work with

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): join us if you can!

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Moderator (Randy LaBonte): we are secretly recruiting them into SCoPE ;-)

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LaDonna: oops, didn't mean to start the camera

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Moderator (Sylvia Currie): I've posted info in SCoPE as well

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GinaB-COTR: thanks everybody!

Left on November 2, 2009 at 11:05 AM