Joined on May 22, 2008 at 8:25 AM
(edited pre-session chat)
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vivian forssman: all the talk about knowledge mobilization, rather than diffusion, begs the question of "how to document this stuff"
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Gerry: Is there a new time for Tom's presentation?
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Gerry: There has been a lot of reference to CMEC - seems to me it has been somewhat of a disfunctional organization — has that changed?
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Terumi: ...Terry's voice sounds a bit crack than usual...
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vivian forssman: remember the posts last week re informal learning? did you all see Paul Cappon (CCL) on TV last night (cbc news) with the belly dancers?
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Haydn: Great
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rcjones: good
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): Great!
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Gerry: LOL
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Me: Ha ha would have loved to see the belly dancers!
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vivian forssman: apparently ccl is tracking Canadians in informal leanring as an example of knowledge socieity - they had clips owith belly dancers as example of informal learning.
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DebraH: @vivian -were they CCL people dancing?
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glen: rats Google returns nothing for Paul Cappon Belly Dancers CBC TV
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vivian forssman: no Paul Cappon was not dancing - darn!
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DebraH:
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Sue L.: how can we use the grassroot initiatives as a springboard? Rather than waiting for the top down approach.
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Moderator (Paul Stacey): Some have lumped e-learning in with new media too.
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Stephen Downes: Hi all
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Stephen Downes: (got caught in the rain)
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Moderator (Paul Stacey): Hi Stephen, welcome - things going well today
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DebraH: is it raining all across Canada?
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Haydn: I think you mean Paul Bacsish
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Gerry: Suny here.
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DebraH: where @gerry?
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DebraH: good to see Oz well-represented & Recognised!
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Gerry: Fort St. John
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Stephen Downes: It's always sunny in Fort St. John
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Gerry: Educause is funded through a membership model?
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): I agree that we need to work across jursidctions in our federation, but the EU has the EU government that appreciates education, whereas the central system in Canada is afraid to even think about education.
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DebraH: yes - I'm finding it totally a-intuitive as a recent Canad-eran
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Haydn: True Terry - common stanards and quality assurance across Europe is a key imperative of the EU
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Haydn: e-learning is part of this, but the biggest agenda is Education of which e is a comparitivly small part
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DebraH: what about the Virtual schools in US? e.g. Washington - very active & several Canadians involved?
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vivian forssman: I though Paul Bascich's posts very interesting - the JISC/Becta thing might not be as "together" as the websites suggest - what about Scandinavia?
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Gerry: I here the Mexican government has recently commited to huge funding for providing access and e-learning.
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Gerry: *hear
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Haydn: I think Paul's view as an insider in the networks is perhaps more negative, though as always very honest, than the expereince of the University's who interact with the agencies.
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Haydn: Like Paul I could be critical of JISC, but the amount of resource has certainly supported a deleivery and a research agenda here in Wales.
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): a sad tale!
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Gerry: The need for repsotiories such as CAREO is questionalble at this point, in my opinion.
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vivian forssman: another one - what's happening with SAGE?
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glen: research without dissemination is not
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Me: Re SAGE not always easy to tell what's happening from website
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M Power: funding ended this year
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M Power: dissemination occuring
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DebraH: "at least once in the last 7 days"??
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Sue L.: I'd like to learn more why an initiative like schoolnet which was successful, gets cancelled... is it just a financial decision? Or were the organizers not good at marketing/politics?
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vivian forssman: each province apparently does graduate outcomes "marketing research". Yesterday I saw results for SAIT - there are no questions about learning, use of Internet or e-learning. Just questions about "did you like your experience?". If we measured some of this we moight get attention.
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DebraH: I'd like to know more about purposes of use ...
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DebraH: I wonder how "Learner-centred approach" was defined?
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vivian forssman: purpose seems to be for public policy
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David Porter: Was SchoolNet successful?
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: Good point Vivian -- what are the questions about e-learning on the evaluations?
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Haydn: The view Gilbert is sharing fits well with what Grianne said last week. A clear focus on learners and learning and not on the techology for its own sake.
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glen: learner-centered approach=espoused theory
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DebraH: yes @glen - unfortunately
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DebraH: not operationally
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David Porter: and congruent with recent OECD presentations that counsel defocusing on infrastructure and up-focusing on learning and training
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Haydn: Debra - good question. I'd guess research on the learners expectations and expereince in the e-learning context - that's what I would mean by it, but not sure if Gilbert is using it that way
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Gerry: I think generally schoolnet was not successful - things like the grassroots programs were part of the successes.
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David Porter: Maybe that's why it was nuked
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Gerry: : >)
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glen: @porter could be
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vivian forssman: I think we also need to understand "who are the researchers"? academics? action researchers? presumably both but this is not well understood.
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Stephen Downes: (Thunder and lightening storm here)
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DebraH: @vivian by Action researchers" u presumably include k-12 teachers?
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Gerry: CLN was pretty useful for a few years.
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David Porter: Literally or figuratively, Stephen?
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @vivian - good point. we likely need to see researchers in a broader manner than currently often conceived
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): Good point Vivian, I think effective research in this field happens when both academics AND practitionaires are involved.
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DebraH: @stephen - we'll understand if u duck lots!
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Haydn: True vivian, but isn't it more about how research is recieved and valued, rather than the status of those who do it?
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vivian forssman: yes, all practitioners, including teachers, technologist, ID's etc.
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DebraH:
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Haydn: Terry and Vivian - I agree completly
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Sue L.: is there an example (outside of Education) of such a set up already working in Canada?
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Nellie Deutsch: I came in a bit late; did the speaker define what he means by e-learning technology?
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Moderator (eLearnspace): looking at this image, I'm curious if our strategy for a pan-canadian agenda shouldn't be more about creating individual centres...rather than one large strategy
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Haydn: But also why not use learners as researchers
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Moderator (eLearnspace): and focus on finding ways for these centres to connection/network
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vivian forssman: @haydn - problem is academics publish in journals that are not easilt accessible to policy and management types
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David Porter: This is central Canada world view with the rest of us on the periphery
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vivian forssman: @haydn - yes, definitley include learners
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): That why they should publish open access - like our journal at http://irrodl.org
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Haydn: Vivian - yes changing that culture - to what Terry talked about earlier (and again) as speedy output. But you are right how do we get policy makers to read this.
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glen: @nellie not so much
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Moderator (eLearnspace): I guess it gets back to our discussion of what our main goal is: to create policy to increase access to funding...or to contribute to quality research outside of funding agencies
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vivian forssman: publsihing open access is still problematic - someone has to read this stuff and policy/management types just read soundbites (at least here)
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DebraH: @haydn 7 @vivian - both UG & graduate learnrs - & as particpant researchers
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Nellie Deutsch: I would like to know what he means by it
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Nellie Deutsch: I have never heard the term before but I like it
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Gerry: From the outside, Edusource looked to me as several individual porjects with little connections between projects.
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Haydn: In Wales we have invited them to dissemination events across the HE instituions - this seemed to work as the Welsh funding councils Technology Enhanced Learning Strategy was predicated on the things they had heard from those of us researching the area.
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Hi Stephen: and you would be outside the co-ordination -- and I think I might be too. Again -- what is the weight of having the emphasis on co-ordinating -- versus -intentional open e-learnig communication with ongoing feedback systems.
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Haydn: Debra - yes that's exactly what I meant.
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David Porter: Western provinces did not play very actively in SchoolNet. How could that be called a success?
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glen: IT and admin culture clashes still limiting ICT in classrooms
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Nellie Deutsch: Blackboard Awarded Patent on e-Learning Technology
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Haydn: Getting practitooner and researchers voices into the policy makers domain is a skill - but at least in a small nation like Wales it has been possible
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DebraH: classhes usually in conceptualization @glen
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Haydn: I meant practitioner not sure how I mispelt it so badly
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glen: @debra yep
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Me - Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers thinks that some collective data to see trends would be helpful-- but it is a retrospective view. Research money needs to be put into evolving technological e-learning --blogs, wikis, etc.
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Gerry: Good point Paul!
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Peter West: Just wondering, how many policy-makers were invited to participate in this forum? How many policy-makers have attended one or more sessions?
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Nellie Deutsch: http://www.blackboard.com/company/press/release.aspx?id=887622
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vivian forssman: if we are to include practitioners and learners (Yes!) how do we help with supporting action research methodologies for these folks?
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David Porter: We advertised the forum through oru Minsitry of Advanced Education - but I see no participants
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @Peter - good point - policy makers are often more reactionary to trends than to proactive to opportunities
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Terry's paper was sent out ~2 years ago to policy makers (as I understand it)
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): I sent invites to both our Advanced educ and Educ dept, but not sure any have participated
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Nellie Deutsch: but is the use of information learning?
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Sue L.: the grassroots can react pro-actively faster
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Moderator (eLearnspace): limited response. Now, with a grassroots group here, hopefully we can influence policy makers
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vivian forssman: we need some real tactics on influencing policy makers - talking notes.
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Haydn: My experience is that it is easier to engage practitioners and learners with action learning not by telling them that is what they are doing, but allowing them to do it, and then show how it is not only the doing, but reseacrhing too.
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Sue L.: how to move prototypes to the mainstream...mmmm
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Haydn: Talking notes are one way - but also providing them with key points that they can include in their speechs and presentations.
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Haydn: Best of all, get them to come to an event and write the script for them, it is amazing how often it reappears in furture speeches.
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glen: got a nice email back from PMO when I protested the proposed Canadian DMCA legislation
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @Sue - sometimes, the reason prototypes don't move to mainstream is because the prototypes don't resonate with users
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vivian forssman: @haydn - they need to buy-in to concepts before they will become spokespersons for this cause.
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David Porter: They need to see the value proposition
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Moderator (eLearnspace): blogger succeeded where more functional, but complex tools failed
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DebraH: @haydn - & by asking them what their problems are!
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Haydn: Hard as it is to remind academics most policy makers are also politicians and the skills of that profession (cunning, money raising etc) are not always close to knowledge that we would recongnise. And they like to look clever, so providing them with that can be us being cunning in return
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Haydn: Now let's hope no Welsh or UK politicians are reading this
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Gerry: BC Open School's and BC Campus' repositories seem to be about as good as it gets, but what are the use case stories at this point?
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DebraH: I think blooger's succes cos of KISS & ownership
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Terumi: NIME is closing...
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DebraH: @haydn - I can't type w a welsh accent
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @Debra - yes...those elements resonated with users. LO repositories resonate with oganizations, not individuals
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Haydn: Yep Debra - answer their problems, or better let them know answers to their problems before they know it is a problem
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David Porter: We're heading into a more "open" realim and lightweight personal tool models at BCcampus
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Stephen Downes: open and lightweight are better
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DebraH: wikis are the most problematic or diversely used space in INMHO
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glen: sadly many elearning professionals do not use blogs or wikis
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Stephen Downes: many elearning professionals don't even publoish in open access journals - it's frustrating
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Gerry: That's great David.
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Moderator (eLearnspace): when we design tools that are too complex (or too far ahead of what users recognize to be their needs), we loose adoption. RSS is simple. and works. We could be much more complex...but why bother?
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David Porter: It is a policy conundrum for both government and institutions as we haed more open and lightweight.
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Stephen Downes: right
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Stephen Downes: I advicated RSS at eduSource
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Stephen Downes: or at the very least, an RSS-like system
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @Stephen - and how did that work for you?
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David Porter: We would agree Stephen. We're very interested in a Repositories R Us kinda model
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Stephen Downes: they built a federated system, like he showed, instead
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Stephen Downes: (and hence we get back to what happens when research is 'coordinated' )
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Moderator (eLearnspace): during TLT @dnorman mentioned your advocacy of RSS instead of repositories as they are currently conceived
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Stephen Downes: right
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Gerry: Have you seen the new mashup with maps.google.com and wikipedia and photos?
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David Porter: UBC has done some nice stuiff with RSS
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Stephen Downes: got url david?
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vivian forssman: does anyone have an architectural view of using RSS for institutional resources?
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glen: microblogging the new RSS
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David Porter: I'll find it. It is student and faculty run
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Stephen Downes: ok
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Lisa Read: Gerry-- you mean with the google street-view cams too?
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @glen - microblogging is an application of RSS...but I wouldn't call it a new RSS...
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Stephen Downes: (releasing my application tomorrow, whether or not it's ready)
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Gerry: @ lisa No, there is now a "More" menu
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glen: I stand corrected
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Moderator (eLearnspace): RSS really doesn't care whether we flow little pieces or images or blog posts
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David Porter: @Stephen --> I'll get you the link this afternoon. I may have to make a call.
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DebraH: there are still inter-operability issues with the learning process (commmunication & networking) sides of resource repositories & content
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Gerry: The problem is getting rss from mutliple sources to flow into one - maybe Stephen has that solved
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Stephen Downes: no prob, just email it stephen@downes.ca
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @David - could you share with me as well? gsiemens@elearnspace.org
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Haydn: David P - could you share it on Moodle, I'd be interested too.
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Stephen Downes: Gerry - yes, I can do that, my system does it automatically
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vivian forssman: how do you think RSS can fit with institutional positions on "curriculum content"?
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David Porter: Will do. I saw the demo at a session where UBC hosted a JISC delegation a few months back.
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Haydn: Ah so are we talking about the work CETIS has done for JISC?
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Stephen Downes: @Gerry - here's a sketchy prototype http://www.downes.ca/myglu.htm
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David Porter: It was simple but coordinated content management approach.
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Stephen Downes: 'simple but coordinated' -- would be worth seeing in itsewlf
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DebraH: knowledge as process + knowledge as content + ... (@george)
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Shirky makes an important point in his new book: when we change how we organize as people, we change our institutions
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Stephen Downes: @elearnspace - so if we self-organize, we self-institutionalize?
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glen: @george high time
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DebraH: only change oour institutions if there are enough of us & we're conneced
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @Stephen - that's his main point - moving outside of gov't and business models to models that we create/shape/form/govern
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Stephen Downes: yeah. that seems right to me
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Nellie Deutsch: I think being flexible is the key to implementing change
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Peter West: An example of how 'practitioners' can better understanding, stimulate and hold accountable policy-makers - understand the federal/provincial policy-making, priority-setting and budget allocation processes - and most ciritically, their timing and key stakeholders.
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Sue L.: I'm thinking that information management should be part of information literacy....haven't thought of this angle before.
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Nellie Deutsch: going with the institutions may keep us back
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James: question collabrative learning and knowledge creation vs plagiarism? ownership, intellectual property vs public good, commons of knowledge?
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JPannu: I think that is true Nellie
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @glen, I agree. @Debra - you're right. Shirky's point: now that we are globally connected and have access to "ridiculously easy group forming" tools, it's conceivably a reality
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DebraH: institutions may look very different @nellie
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James: Me: question collabrative learning and knowledge creation vs plagiarism? ownership, intellectual property vs public good, commons of knowledge?
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Nellie Deutsch: Debrah, I totally agree with you about working in teams to drive change
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DebraH: connected wth people but dis-connected with geographical space
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glen: BB vs D2L ? neither!
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Stephen Downes: what he's describing is basically what I wanted edusource to do
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @debra - connected people increase their connection f2f (smart mobs, meetup, Wellman's Netville)
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): You were ahead of your time Stephen!
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Stephen Downes: I guess
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Lisa Read: @glen, coudln't agree more
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @Stephen - you need to take out some patents on your work.
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DebraH: @stephen - still r!
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: What values inform us then becomes important for intentional growth and integrates efforts in a positive global sense -- versus a destructive one.
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Stephen Downes: (could have used a few million to implement that vision instead of the federated system... but I digress0
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Haydn: Nellie - multiple teams with overlap - to achieve connections and change which flows between parts of the organistaion rather than formalise it
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vivian forssman: love the idea of aggregated knowledge through lightweight tools - but I am finding it a hard sell in institutional contexts.
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Stephen Downes: url for Telos?
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Sue L.: light weight tools... I'm thinking that in developing world can do well to focus on mobile phone initiatives. So many more phones than computers.
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Stephen Downes: (the apop Gilbert was describing)
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Gerry: I think the examples of the Open U courses to Wordpress using the Wp-o-Matic plug-in is pretty impressive.
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Stephen Downes: I agree with Terry's comment here
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minhaaj: Hi Stephen
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Stephen Downes: hi minhaaj
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Haydn: Vivian - I've found it easier to sell to students than to staff. But get students using it and showing how it changes there learning and then other staff and management follow quickly
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David Porter: eduSOURCE and LORNET are about academic research, and nothing to do with practitioners or "ptactical"
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David Porter: *practical
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Stephen Downes: right - they should have been (should be) open
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Gerry: So is it time to switch or blend David?
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David Porter: Blend
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Gerry: Agreed
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Nellie Deutsch: the academia does not appreciate action research
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: light weight, mobiles, aggregates and speed of communication through teams loosely formed by a grounded (based on grass roots) e-learning.
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David Porter: I have lots of respect for the best researchers in those networks. But, they had a poor understanding of end users and their actual needs
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @David - yes! Research is best seen as a continuum, not a plateau
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Lisa Read: @Nellie-- I don't know if that's so....certainly in some areas, but my last thesis/ project was Action Research
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vivian forssman: when we will see the outcomes of LORNET manifested in our technical infrastructures?
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: meta analysis of the small projects -- but it is still retro -- and not enough.
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Gerry: Practitioners need to be involved from ground zero
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M Power: @Nellie--Action Researchas a form of appled research is valuable and recognised as so, at least in my Fac
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Stephen Downes: I agree with that, Gilbert
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Sue L.: And on the otherside, I don't feel that teachers respect or desire a teaching practice that is research based... much easier to teach the way you were taught. I'd like to see Action Research approaches embraced in Pre-Service Teaching programs and then carried on and heralded by schoolboards.
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Stephen Downes: That's why my research is mostly non-academic, and devoted to trying things out practiucally
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vivian forssman: hi richard - I keep reading your twitters
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DebraH: there's a tension/dilemma between going from the neds of the grassroots & the wider view that may help them better connetc
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minhaaj: good point Sue.
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DebraH: neds of grassroots
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glen: @SueL agree
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DebraH: needs
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Stephen Downes: @Sure -- what is the locus of 'practice' -- I see the locus as residing in the learner, not the teacher -- the *learner* is the practitioner
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glen: too many teachers have seem flavor of the month reseach from academic research
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Haydn: Yes in Business and Management subjects Action Reseacrh is seen as a key message
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DebraH: yes @glen - but still teachers look to academics for guidance
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Sue L.: at this stage teachers are still driving the classroom agenda
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vivian forssman: @ Gil re: organizational aspects - needs real consideration - this is where diffusion falls apart
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DebraH: & to disseminate the research
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minhaaj: I would like to agree with Haydn, being a management student i dont see future of business studies without action research
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Stephen Downes: I think that if we see teachers as contingent to the process - used only if and when needed - then we get a very different picture of the intersection between practice and research
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: As a learner, I only have so many years -- but as an ongoing team -- e-learning could have a firm foundation with lots of informing happening on a continual basis.
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glen: @debra they need to be encourage to have confidence in their own action research
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Haydn: Stephen great point - learner foucssed is the key driver
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DebraH: yes @glen - goes bk to SueL's point above
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David Porter: @Stephen et al. --> http://leap.ubc.ca/
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minhaaj: I think teacher's role in e-learning and f2f research should be not more than facilitator. Teacher's subjective beliefs should not influence students rather teachers should instill an explorative thinking in studnets.
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Haydn: And then your next point on contingency of teachers is also spot on - the challange is always to get teachers to let go to allow the learner to learn, so many of my colleagues are scared by that - the fear of letting go and trusting those we teach
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DebraH: I wld like to see more investigation between the learning-focussed + learner-focussed
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M Power: same thing can be said of DE: Achilles heel of classical DE.. focus on front-end design of materials rather than on the learner
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Stephen Downes: tks David
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Hi Minhaaj: I agree with you.
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vivian forssman: @DebraH - learning versus learner-focused - want to explore deeper - maybe offline?
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Me: Just want to give easy access to the SOF2008 conference URL for follow on discussions http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/course/view.php?id=56
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minhaaj: thanks Jo. I really think if a teacher is influencing a student, this is intellectual misuse of expert power and a form of insincere tutelage
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DebraH: @vivian - sure: debrah@athabascau.ca
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Haydn: A special interest reseacrh group in the UK - (ELEISG) is focussed on the student perspective on Elearning - http://elesig.ning.com
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glen: @minhaaj teachers subjective beleifs affect implementation they need to be included from the get go
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Me: Yes, teh ELEISG group looks interesting
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minhaaj: thats more a matter of policy of school rather than teacher's wishes glen. Teaching should be impartial and experiment based
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: DebraH and Vivian -- I'm interested in the constant exploration of promoting "autentic learning process".
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Moderator (eLearnspace): The challenge with multiple light-weight tools is that as we move mainstream, tools get centralized and aggregated again
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Moderator (eLearnspace): i.e. facebook
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Sue L.: ability to know/select from the many tools available just part of being a 21st century learner/teacher
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Stephen Downes: Facebook was always centralized
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David Porter: Not necessarily. Think about doing it ISP style.
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Haydn: I've been a member for some time, and its first role was similar to this conference - letting people in the Uk know what was already happening in instituions - this is now the stage where we move on to develop engagement between instituions to acheive comparision between different work across the UK
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Moderator (eLearnspace): yes, but FB centralized functionality that was previously decentralized, under control of individuals
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minhaaj: i've reservations about usefulness of facebook specially about their policies of removing and deletion of content
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Moderator (eLearnspace): BB/webct/angel are now "centralizing" blogs, wikis, in their systems
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vivian forssman: @Jo Ann H - email me at vivian.forssman@sait.ca
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Haydn: I meant member of ELESIG
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Peter West: How do you convince policy-makers (budget allocators) to invest in e-learning when the bricks-and-mortar side of the educational system is in financial crisis?
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minhaaj: for example their terms of service says that we may delete anything 'WE' find offensive and aggressive
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David Porter: Put the control in the hands of individual instructors ands let them tailor the applications from a menu of choice, ISP style.
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minhaaj: Peter nice topic for discussion
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minhaaj: do you have an email ?
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: joannhm@telusplanet.net
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @Peter - is the bricks and mortar in financial crisis?
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Gerry: Hoping to convice some of them to do that at TRU next week David.
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Haydn: I'll be taking much of the thoughts from these sessions with me to the next meeting - so we in England Wales and Scotland can ensure we are part of an international research agenda
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Moderator (eLearnspace): I see daily multi-million dollar announcements for bricks and mortar
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vivian forssman: @David - I think that is how teaching has always worked - goev em some tools (chalk) and let em go for it.
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Sue L.: So is Gilbert suggesting we need professor generalist rather specialists to be successful in networking model?
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David Porter: We're putting a sandobox together for the system based on that model - shortly.
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Haydn: Must go I have a PhD student waiting to see me - thanks again, see you all tomorrow night
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minhaaj: thanks peter
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glen: @minhaaj teachers should model effective learning and critical thinking
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David Porter: I like the let them go for it model. They are professionals after all.
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Me: @Haydn See you soon!
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DebraH: @SueL - perhaps in collaboratives none of us need to be generalists or specialists cos the group does both
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minhaaj: without being subjective glen
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Johanne: A world wide "Reality show" of the learners on the globe would be interesting for all of us
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Gerry: Good presentation Gilbert.
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Stephen Downes: What is the URL for the Telos software he was describing?
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Me: Forum discussions here http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/course/view.php?id=56
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David Porter: Thanks Gilbert. d.
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minhaaj: Stephen please raise your hand.
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Peter West: Financial Crisis? Government funding inadequate - student fees increasing
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David Porter: @Johanne --> http://event.dare2bdigital.ca
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Moderator (eLearnspace): good point on going to media
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Moderator (eLearnspace): one way to influence policy
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vivian forssman: I agree - get this conversation out into the open
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JPannu: Very engaging session Gilbert; thanks. I will be looking out for more. Gotta run now. Quite late here
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Moderator (eLearnspace): we need to hire a PR agent
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minhaaj: Very interesting work gilbert
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Stephen Downes: Media is less informed than the politicisns & motivated by self-interest to discourage peer-to-peer & grassroots programs
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Peter West: Media strategy is effective in the short-term only
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vivian forssman: if belly dancers can get *learning" press coverage surely we can!
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minhaaj: Good question Lisa
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Stephen Downes: don't bet on it
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Maybe we should do an "edutech researchers" calendar
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Lisa Read: Thanks minhaaj
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Moderator (eLearnspace): sorta like firefighters calendar
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David Porter: Isn't faculty freedom counter to such an closed approach?
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Sue L.: Thanks Gilbert...lots of food for thought from your talk!
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Moderator (eLearnspace): i'm sure it would sell
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Lisa Read: haaaaa!
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Stephen Downes: lol fiunny george
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Moderator (eLearnspace): I'd like to be July
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: Stephen Downes as the new Canadian --Larry King Live
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Lisa Read: @Jo AN-- I'll second that!!!!
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vivian forssman: I am going to get a noisy coin shaky belt to wear when I talk about e-learning - then learn new gyrations
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Peter West: Need to create a Groundswell (there's an excellent new book by this title) http://www.amazon.ca/Groundswell-Charlene-Li/dp/1422125009/ref=br_lf_m_1000196461_1_10_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&s=books&pf_rd_p=371581501&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1000196461&pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_r=0BHBMT6QFEHWHCP3AWTM
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Me: Position your laptop in the right place for the phot shoot, George :-D
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Stephen Downes: I'd do it in a minute but I don't think CBC would want to be within 10 miles of me
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Moderator (eLearnspace): @vivian - great - we'll all do our part
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: Changing is interesting!
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Thx!!!
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann Thanks
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Lisa Read: @Paul/Sylvia-- is this session to be archived, as well?
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rcjones: Thank you, Gilbert
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Great presentation Gilbert!
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Me: Just exellent. Thanks, Gilbert!
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Lisa Read: Thanks
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vivian forssman: merci gilbert
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Paul - could you ask Stephen's ques?
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Stephen Downes: url for Telos software
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): Geiorge has yet to give us a title, but it will be good??
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Oops - is that tomoro?
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DebraH: belly dancing in elearning = george's title
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DebraH: with MM support
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Me: Thanks @DebraH I'll post that! LOL
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DebraH: YouTube
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Moderator (eLearnspace): Title: "Modelling collaboration: Researching PD and Learner needs from a national perspective"
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Stephen Downes: *sigh* ok
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Me: http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/course/view.php?id=56
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Lisa Read: thanks!
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vivian forssman: bye
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rcjones: later
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Moderator (eLearnspace): c u
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Sue L.: bye bye and thanks to the moderators!
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DebraH: cu 2morow
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Moderator (Paul Stacey): bye everyone
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Me: got the title, George. Thx
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minhaaj: Bye all
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Moderator (Paul Stacey): thanks for joing us