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Moderator (john biss): I'm here with Erin
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Moderator (eLearnspace): John, I just got your updated slides
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Moderator (eLearnspace): let me add it now
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Me: magic
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Moderator (eLearnspace): ah
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Me: brb
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Moderator (eLearnspace): ok, sorry for hte confusion
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Moderator (eLearnspace): ok
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karen smith: Ha
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Moderator (eLearnspace): thx
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Moderator (eLearnspace): it was great to be a part of the group
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Moderator (eLearnspace):
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Moderator (eLearnspace): everyone needs a "toe stepper" in their life
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Moderator (eLearnspace): people are still coming in...
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Kathreen Riel: Good Morning from Victoria, B.C.!
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M Power: Hi From quebec City!
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Me: Hi Kathreen adn bonjour Michael!
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Terri Bateman: Hi, working from Courteany this morning
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karen smith: Manitoba here. Hi.
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sharper: Good morning from Victoria BC - room next door to Kathreen Riel
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karen smith: Courtenay BC?
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karen smith: 1220. Is there a prize?
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Kathreen Riel: four hundred?
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glen: 200
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Sue Wolff: 500
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M Power: 1400
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Terri Bateman: 880
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sharper: 1500
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Terri Bateman: yes, courtenay BC, usually in victoria
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Gerry: More than 168
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Me: I'm not allowed to participate in this contest!
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glen: yea!!!
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M Power: hah
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glen: Yeahhh No cash??:>)
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karen smith: That was a good way to test.
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Kathreen Riel: no just fame!
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glen: Thad'll do iguess
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Me: I'll wire you some cash, Glen. Wait for it!
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Stephen Downes: Hi all
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minhaaj: Hi Stephen and all
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minhaaj: A friend of mine wanna join. Can you get her in ?
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Me to minhaaj: YEs! I'll go grab the URL
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minhaaj: thank you very much. Did you get invitation to my session on 'Psychology in ESL teaching' ? Its a talk i am giving on saturday
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Me to minhaaj: https://sas.elluminate.com/m.jnlp?sid=2008104&password=M.DCFB91F02C21AC09CFE7916E54C977
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): We will have to add the CCL definition of e-learning to our thread from week one on definitions.
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Me to minhaaj: Also link to SOF conference here http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/course/view.php?id=56
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minhaaj: Oh ok thanks. I would like you to join my talk http://tinyurl.com/6k6oma
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Me to minhaaj: Thx!
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minhaaj: i would rally appreciate if you could forward this to all friends here or other places
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DebraH: yes Terry - I think it will be critical to collect whatever "official" ones of these we can find
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minhaaj: welcome Debra
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minhaaj: err sorry
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minhaaj: Welcome Debra
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DebraH:
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Haydn: Interesting model, I wondered though whether Government should be at the top. Isn't us who select them, not they who direct us?
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): Here is the address for this report:http://www.ccl-cca.ca/CCL/Reports/Other+Reports/20080516InternationalELearning.htm
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): http://www.ccl-cca.ca/CCL/Reports/Other+Reports/20080516InternationalELearning.htm
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Stephen Downes: that was fast
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Me: Thanks and I'll add link in SCoPE
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glen: Prescriptive and emergent coding techniques??
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DebraH: ethnomethodological terms
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glen: Yes but which techniques
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Stephen Downes: It would be interesting to see a list of those documents - is there a URL - online texts of them?
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Stephen Downes: Who was interviewed? How were they selected?
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minhaaj: was that random sampling, or convenient ?
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glen: Who prescribed the codes for the analysis?
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Stephen Downes: International: many nations have very significant e-learning investments...
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Stephen Downes: Australia with EdNA, the Le@rning Federation, and the just-announced billions-dollars education revolution
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Stephen Downes: Britain with JISC and CETIS
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Stephen Downes: Even the U.S., with things like EDUCAUSE and the New Media Consortium
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Gerry: You are right Stephen, with huge funding
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karen smith: Our time is now. We need national funding.
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): The International report John referenced and linked above suggests a model of regional e-learning hubs with $500 million funding!
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DebraH: @Stephen - also Carrick Foundation
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Gerry: It's no different than f-2-f learning in that respect - why would it be?
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glen: Found the code handbook linked in the document.
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Stephen Downes: lol
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glen: no in vivo codes?
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minhaaj: What good is $500 million research strategy if it doesnt open up new universities and more opportunities for research consequently ?
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Stephen Downes: @minhaaj - why would we automatically assukme that 'new universities' is the solution?
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minhaaj: i have no evidence to think that it isn't.
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minhaaj: Universities are the birthplace of research and they should be created. Research is the logical outcome
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Stephen Downes: Absence of evidence is not evidence
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Stephen Downes: (Can't talk - Microphone input on this computer is spotty)
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Me: I noticed Terry paused longer this time!
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Stephen Downes: Terry - tell people to raise hands if they want to interrupt the flow and pose a question...
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Stephen Downes: (just a suggestion)
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karen smith: ask them to talk on the mic
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glen: Research documents just posted, still reading with one eye.
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minhaaj: Well my microphone is not working
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minhaaj: its pretty ok on audio test
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minhaaj: but whats wrong with the button ?
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Me: Minhaaj, write your question here if you'd like
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minhaaj: I was trying to ask John as to how he thinks that a researchof this magnitude would help canada to draw and embark a plan of e-learning that includes pragmatic and consolidated steps towards opening up new universities and opportunities for working people and would that be affordable for students who are not in a position to pay astronomical fees in conventional f2f universities?
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David Porter: Great question
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minhaaj: thanks
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Peter West: Were teachers' unions consulted? (Do they have pubished positions on e-learning?)
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Stephen Downes: A plan to share informatio n and research would be a good start
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Moderator (Paul Stacey): What is the role of CCL in working with the federal government to convert the recommendations in these documents into action?
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Stephen Downes: Articulating a 'shared vision' will be tricky - because it is very unlikely a vision is genuinely "shared"
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glen: What is the effect of inter-institutional competition for elearning enrolments.
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karen smith: What do you think are the components of developing those connections between groups. It seems to me that online learning has been one of the biggest silos due to funding disconnected with their mother institutuions.
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glen: And intra-institutional competition
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Gerry: I see that the Eduspecs.ca website is finally gone.
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karen smith: What was Eduspecs?
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Stephen Downes: Part of the problem in this country is that we default to 'shared vision', but we have ten provincial entities, a federal entity, territories, unions, etc., and there's no way to articulate a meaningful shared vision....
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minhaaj: also how research grant would help in terms of pragmatic steps of opening up new universities
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Nellie Deutsch: The UOP charges less to interantional students
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minhaaj: no it doesnt Nellie
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Nellie Deutsch: it does for me
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karen smith: I think we underestimate the connections we can make.
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minhaaj: Israel must be an exception then
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Stephen Downes: It would have been more useful to see CCL see if it could articulate a framework of knowledge-sharing and communiction, enabling agencies with different visions to participate in an interlocking web of activities and programs
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Nellie Deutsch: as a Canadian
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Gerry: Fron the wayback machine:
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minhaaj: i didnt get that concession Nellie
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Nellie Deutsch: Americans pay more
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M Power: Minhaaj. Lower cost is often the prime value in corporate elearning. In my university (and probably others), it is more a question of cost-effectiveness with a focus on quality.
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sleslie: the absence of knowledge is not what is keeping Canada from acting. phooey
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Stephen Downes: @sleslie: agree
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minhaaj: M Power, Learning should be independent of making profit
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M Power: agree
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minhaaj: Great presentation John
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Gerry: Good point Scott
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Peter West: Suggested starting point: Getting everyone on the same page (e.g., A 'map' of current (emerging) elements that comprise e-learning & 'overlays' that demonstrate who and where stakeholders function, initiatives, programs, etc. Seeing the 'whole picture' and related stakeholders helps to sensitize all stakeholders
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glen: lots of data, not so much analysis
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Stephen Downes: 'evidence base' = code for...
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Stephen Downes: Terry: what research is needed to show that providing free access to an open source LMS for all institutions in the country would be / not be useful??
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Stephen Downes: what research is needed to show that it might not be a bad idea to provide blogs for all students?
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Stephen Downes: The problem is: providing these solutions costs a LOT LESS than gathering the evidence that would justify the,m
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glen: ready fire aim
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sleslie: glen, please expand, who is RFA aimed at?
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Me: So many good Qs and comments in this text chat. Hope everyone will carry on in week 2 async forum as well http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/mod/forum/view.php?id=893
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Nellie Deutsch: are you interested in research done in Canadian institutions?
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Stephen Downes: he says "it's pretty thin" no matter what question you have... but I have links to almost 10,000 different items describing various aspects of this field...
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Stephen Downes: so, again... 'what is evidence'?
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Moderator (Terry Anderson): Ignorance is pretty expensive as well!
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Peter West: I prefer using a continuum for Evidence (evidence-aware --> evidenced-informed --> evidience-based)
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Stephen Downes: well, agreed Terry - but we are not ignoramnt - we simply don't look in the right places for evidence
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Stephen Downes: piffle, 90 percent of questions not answered
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Moderator (Paul Stacey): Big recommendation has been around the need for "leadership". Who are the leaders that need to be convinced?
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Peter West: It's a moving target
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: Canadians can work together on this
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M Power: Thank you John
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glen: Evidence is there need to ask the right questions of the data
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Nellie Deutsch: define high quality?
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Linda: John, I really enjoyed your presentation and I will be going to the CCL site.
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glen: @sleslie will expand on RFA in forum
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Me: Posted direct link to week 2 forum above. Also FYI here is the main SOF2008 conference page http://scope.lidc.sfu.ca/course/view.php?id=56
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Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Jo Ann: In Dance/Movement therapy -- an area I've been involved in for years -- there is lots of research -- but marketing is what hits the headlines and gets the focus. Stephen Downe is a great leader for collecting and disseminating grounded information. I agree that we always will need to keep more research going.
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David Porter: A Dave Snowden quote is appropriate to this discussion for me:
“Faced with an intractable problem, do you go and draw down best practice from your company’s knowledge management system, or do you go and find eight or nine people you know and trust with relevant experience and listen to their stories.”
A Dave Snowden quote is appropriate to this discussion for me:
“Faced with an intractable problem, do you go and draw down best practice from your company’s knowledge management system, or do you go and find eight or nine people you know and trust with relevant experience and listen to their stories.”
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rcjones: Thanks
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Me: Thanks so much, John.
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Linda: Thanks Terry!
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rcjones: Bye