Educational Uses of iPads

Facilitator: Brent Lee

Moderator: Gina Bennett

October 20, 2010


(very lightly edited by Sylvia Currie to correct typos, etc)



Heidi Piltz: I'm in - I think (my first time doing this on Elluminate!)


Sylvia Currie (@currie): Hi Heidi! You made it :-)


Sylvia Currie: I live in Lac Le Jeune, British Columbia. Sunny and cool here!


Brent Lee (VIU): <-- From sunny Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island! :)


Heidi Piltz: Hi Sylvia - I'm in Maple Ridge, which is 2 hours east of Vancouver, in B.C.


Amanda: Hi there!


Hilda: Hi Amanda!


Heidi Piltz: I can hear folks talking, but I don't know how to speak - any hints?


Amanda: Royal Roads University


Nellie Deutsch: Hi from the Toronto and Israel (going back and forth)


Gina Bennett (COTR): hi Nellie


Nellie Deutsch: Who is the moderator speaking


Gina Bennett (COTR): my moniker says 'meeting moderator' but everybody calls me 'Gina' :)

[editing note- I changed name to Gina Bennett in the transcript. Sylvia]


Nellie Deutsch: Hi Gina


Kathreen Riel: Hi Folks, I'm in Victoria (UVic) and I'm drinking the best cup of coffee I have had in a long time:0


Amanda: ohhh kathreen!  nice - what kind of coffee?


Nellie Deutsch: My daughter live in Victoria. Love the city


Kathreen Riel: Coffee? Doi Chaang from Thailand Hmmm....


Hilda: I'm from SFU, currently doing CO-OP in BCcampus


Sylvia Currie: Ha ha I'm drinking goji (sp?) berry green tea YUM


Gina Bennett (COTR): great, Hilda!


Nellie Deutsch: I'm drinking water and mint. It's really hot here.


Gina Bennett (COTR): It's FREEZING in Cranbrook BC


Nellie Deutsch: how's the weather in Victoria?


Kathreen Riel: I really need to convert to something green


Amanda: yup sounds great!


Nellie Deutsch: put your hand out


Kathreen Riel: Is it good cheese?


Gina Bennett (COTR): <puts hand out>


Gina Bennett (COTR): it's so-so cheese


carolyeager: I have dill havarti .. wanna trade?


Kathreen Riel: Oh that's too bad


Gina Bennett (COTR): oooo yeah!!!


Kathreen Riel: Dill havarti rocks


Sylvia Currie: ETUG is Educational Technology Users Group in British Columbia Canada


Sylvia Currie: We're all Brent Lee fans! :-)


Nellie Deutsch: hi Brent


Nellie Deutsch: what do you teach, Brent?


Nellie Deutsch: :)


Nellie Deutsch: Hi Jo Ann


Gina Bennett (COTR): lots of familiar 'faces' here today!


Gina Bennett (COTR): plus lots of new ones:)


Gina Bennett (COTR): Welcome Ron! (meeting moderator = Gina)


Nellie Deutsch: laptops can be heavy, too


Gina Bennett (COTR): they get heavier as the day wears on, don't they Nellie?


ron evans NIC: Hi Gina


Sylvia Currie: I'm fumbling right now using sketchbook to take notes during this session.


Gina Bennett (COTR): is sketchbook an iPad app, Sylvia?


Gina Bennett (COTR): 'drm' = digital rights management


Gina Bennett (COTR): +


Sylvia Currie: Sketchbook for iPad http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=6848332


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Sylvia: thanks


Sylvia Currie: I'm really clumsy. Maybe a pen would help!


Iain Robertson: Also Noteshelf for penwork http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/18/noteshelf-handwritten-ipad-notes-that-really-work/


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Iain: thanks for this link


Sylvia Currie: Adobe ideas is also good. Seems a little more intuitive http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adobe-ideas-1-0-for-ipad/id364617858?mt=8


Kathreen Riel: hmmm....I'm adding up the costs of the extras- pens, cases, etc...


Gina Bennett (COTR): I think the pens are pretty cheap, Kathreen


Nellie Deutsch: nice


Gina Bennett (COTR): THOUSANDS of apps


Sylvia Currie: Yeah, I ended up with a few different cases. $$$ I'll sell you one! :-)


Gina Bennett (COTR): wow!


Gina Bennett (COTR): 'bookstore'?


Kathreen Riel: App Store- Consumers Abyss...I have spent too much time here:)


Gina Bennett (COTR): it's a bit addictive, isn't it Kathreen?


Gina Bennett (COTR): I have played a tiny bit with the Adobe Connect iPhone app


Sylvia Currie: Hmmm, going to check out the Moodle apps to use with SCoPE


Nellie Deutsch: but what about the price? Can all of our students afford an iPad?


Nellie Deutsch: you can get e-books


Nellie Deutsch: cheaper to get e-books than buy an iPad :)


Lystra Sampson-Ovid: I also want to suggest that cost may be a prohibitive factor


Heidi Piltz: I think he meant it was cheaper to get e-books than paper books. ?


Kathreen Riel: Does the iPad have a built in microphone and camera


Iain Robertson: Creation and collaboration. The next google docs update should allow editing


Nellie Deutsch: @Heidi, I'm not sure about that


Sylvia Currie: @Nellie true. Can read ebooks on computers other than ipad


Heidi Piltz: The first generation of iPad does not have a camera - that's one of the criticisms.


Gina Bennett (COTR): no camera at this time, Kathreen but I think they're thinking about it


Nellie Deutsch: Heidi, I agree


Sylvia Currie: I heard "freeze up my laptop" lol


Nellie Deutsch: I'm going to wait to get my iPad when the camera is available


Gina Bennett (COTR): I want to see handwriting recognition


Nellie Deutsch: @Gina, yes.


carolyeager: I am using my iPad with dropbox and it works very well...


Iain Robertson: Boxnet also works well 


Gina Bennett (COTR): Boxnet... is that like Dropbox, Iain?


Kathreen Riel: I would like to see an Etherpad (collaborative writing tool) that works as an activity in Moodle


carolyeager: thx .. @Iain, will check it out


Nellie Deutsch: I love my iPhone


Iain Robertson: @Gina quite similar


Sylvia Currie: Funny when search the app stor for "Moodle' mtouch and mpage don't come up


ron evans NIC: i'd like to use that with my course


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Ron: sounds very appropriate, doesn't it???


carolyeager: It is a tad funny to be speaking to the end of the iPad for Skype :)


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Carol: very star trek :)


Nellie Deutsch: the sound is great on apple


Heidi Piltz: What was the "Planets" app?  I dropped my headphones and must have missed it!


Sylvia Currie: Evernote is fantastic!


ron evans NIC: Planets is a way to view the sky by holding the iPad up


ron evans NIC: it shows the stars you are looking at


Heidi Piltz: Hah!  Cool.  Thanks.


Gina Bennett (COTR): 'augmented reality'


ron evans NIC: :)


Sylvia Currie: Neat


carolyeager: @Gina .. it is amazing and as you move around, it follows the sky view ... up close and personal :)


Gina Bennett (COTR): Wow


Nellie Deutsch: I'm adding evernote to my mac, now. Thank you


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Evernote --yes


Nellie Deutsch: wow


Kathreen Riel: New technologies don't degrade the curriculum but they can undermine the delivery of the curriculum and the level of engagement among learners


Nellie Deutsch: @kathreen, if they come to class :)


Nellie Deutsch: will attendance improve with the ipad


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Nellie: i wonder if there's been research in that area? good question...


Kathreen Riel: @ Nellie Haa..ha..yes if they attend. Do they need to attend?


Nellie Deutsch: or will participants work at a distance


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: linking "right now knowledge with technology" and build motivation and critical thinking


Nellie Deutsch: as far as I know, students are demanding technology so they can stay away from class


Gina Bennett (COTR): Sounds like there is potential to reduce the 'border' between real world & academy


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: spaces for learning must keep up too


Nellie Deutsch: @Brent, how is the experience of reading on a mac vs reading on an iPad?


Kathreen Riel: Yes! Laptops create a physical boundary in meetings, classes etc..


Sylvia Currie: Even shape makes a difference


Gina Bennett (COTR): maybe the whole nature of citation will change


Iain Robertson: It would be nice if the publishers could optimize books for tablet delivery i.e. getting beyond mere text and being more dynamic and collaborative


Nellie Deutsch: @Gina, it just got worse with the new APA style


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: form follows function -- so citations may stay in some contexts


Gina Bennett (COTR): Brent: ask how many are PLANNING to buy an iPad


Nellie Deutsch: @my son has one


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: my niece has an ipad


Kathreen Riel: I have an iPod touch...I refuse to be tangled in a contract


carolyeager: @Iain there are some amazing 3 d books for the iPad ...


Nellie Deutsch: how many macs


Kathreen Riel: what is a 3G data plan?


Sylvia Currie: I've had an expensive few months! Need to remortgage my house :-)


Heidi Piltz: I have to leave in a few minutes:  my school only has a 40 min. lunch, unfortunately. The bell just went!


ron evans NIC: It's only $50/month


Nellie Deutsch: I bought a phone without a contract


Gina Bennett (COTR): THanks for coming, Heidi!


Kathreen Riel: @Nellie can't buy an iPhone without a contract in Canada


Iain Robertson: @carolyeager I have seen some good stuff to be sure. Hopefully it is a trend that will expand


Heidi Piltz: Could you post something re: how to view the recording of this session?


Nellie Deutsch: I bought mine in Toronto without a contract


carolyeager: the 3g iPad contract is very flexible and not so expensive .. I have wifi only tho


Sylvia Currie: @Heidi, I'll post the recording in the SCoPE seminar


ron evans NIC: Is there a 3rd party camera that we can hook to the iPad?


Sylvia Currie: Yes, for some reason 3G plans for ipads pretty cheap.


jkim: My class just started as well... they are writing a test so my speakers are off.  However, I will read what I can from time to time.


Gina Bennett (COTR): Thanks for coming, jkim


Sylvia Currie: @jkim Very good multitasking!


jkim: =)


ron evans NIC: Could we mount the camera on the iPad and then be able to do video conferencing?


Sylvia Currie: @Ron not right now


Heidi Piltz: Thanks for this seminar, everyone!  I might be able to peek in during the next 20 minutes.


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Heidi: :)


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: -- hmmm.. multithreading -- like skype -- could have one loose thread -- if working with ipad


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Jo Ann: can you say more?


ron evans NIC: OK thanks


Kathreen Riel: thank you


ron evans NIC: Math applications would be very important


Sylvia Currie: A couple more apps I think would be useful for online learning - for reading: GoodReader and Instapaper


Nellie Deutsch: what is easier on the eye? Mac or iPad


carolyeager: I found the iPad an easier read


carolyeager: on my aging eyes :_)


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: What I was wondering from what Brent said -- was when he is on the ipad -- and skype comes on line -- would it interfere with the ipads -- I think he's referring to interference. How many sources can we even multitask -- let alone have the online flowing without interruption.


Sylvia Currie: I love reading books. Especially good for night reading


Nellie Deutsch: I heard that kindle is easier on the eye than the iPad


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Night reading -- yes


Iain Robertson: MacBook Air looks pretty good. About $1000 bucks with education discount


Gina Bennett (COTR): kindle is very easy on the eyes, but no backlight


carolyeager: I heard the same of Nook ... I think one needs to check them all out


Gina Bennett (COTR): !!!


Nellie Deutsch: I'm a highlighter junkie


Nellie Deutsch: I need to hold a highlighter when I read


Gina Bennett (COTR): thanks


Nellie Deutsch: what's the truth about flash?


Nellie Deutsch: Is apple fighting adobe?


Nellie Deutsch: so what will html5 do to adobe?


Iain Robertson: html5 will likely supercede flash


Nellie Deutsch: so will elluminate be in danger, too?


Gina Bennett (COTR): would be nice not to have to fuss with plugins


Nellie Deutsch: I saw the demo that apple gave


Kathreen Riel: One of my students posted this reflection http://lauren-cittonedci336.blogspot.com/search/label/Technologyabout the use of iPads at a school she is currently observing


Gina Bennett (COTR): Great, thanks Kathreen


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: I wonder about "monopolies" in the future -- consistency and access versus collaboration and cooperation without monopoly


Nellie Deutsch: is it true that flash is messing our systems?


Gina Bennett (COTR): @Jo Ann: do you see the ipad contributing, or breaking down the monopoly?


Nellie Deutsch: so now apple and ms are joining forces


Nellie Deutsch: monopoly of MS, maybe


Kathreen Riel: Maybe it's not monopoly but polarization of products?


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: ipad as it is -- is just another "tool" which can link up -- but I think it is a bigger question of who will produce these things and own them


ron evans NIC: What environment do you use to develop apps?


Kathreen Riel: Expanding the gatekeepers and the notion of consumer generated content


Gina Bennett (COTR): "cathedral vs. bazaar", if you follow that analogy


ron evans NIC: OK


Gina Bennett (COTR): i see a penguin on your shoulder, Brent :)


Brent Lee (VIU): http://www.apple.com/mac/facetime/


Nellie Deutsch: how do you get around Moodle and Safari?


Kathreen Riel: I have experienced a few problems using Safari and Moodle. I use Firefox


Sylvia Currie: Interesting re facetime


Nellie Deutsch: @Kathreen as an administrator


Gina Bennett (COTR): people, we are coming to the end of the hour so feel free to leave if you have to.


Kathreen Riel: Ooops


Gina Bennett (COTR): I think we can hang around a bit longer with Brent if you have the time


Nellie Deutsch: @Brent that's great news


Sylvia Currie: Yes, no wysiwyg editor in Moodle with Safari


Nellie Deutsch: @Sylvia, exactly


Nellie Deutsch: when is that going to change, Sylvia?


Kathreen Riel: This was awesome!


Iain Robertson: Thanks for a great event


Nellie Deutsch: Great session, Brent


Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Brilliant Brent


ron evans NIC: Thanks Brent!


Hilda: thanks Brent!


Lystra Sampson-Ovid: Thanks for a great and relevant discourse


carolyeager: Thank you so much for a great discusion.


Sylvia Currie: http://scope.bccampus.ca/mod/forum/view.php?id=8491


Nellie Deutsch: thank you, Gina and Sylvia


Sylvia Currie: Thanks Gina and Brent!


Gina Bennett (COTR): sylvia, how do i stop recording???


Lystra Sampson-Ovid: timely...assists with decision making


Heidi Piltz: Just peeked in - is there any way of recording the comments?  There were some good links that I didn't have a chance to follow up.


Sylvia Currie: Yes, I'll grab the chat and post it in SCoPE as well. Plus it will be with the recording


Brent Lee (VIU): Thanks! I shall see you all soon and online!